Installing Aftermarket SkidPlate will Void Warranty

Theo

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I agree with their reasoning and for MX use I surely don't want to buy any other skid plate. I believe them when they state that they've validated that skid plates with testing and I doubt that aftermarket companies have done the same.
Maybe they have sent this email as a consequence of that video of a Varg catching fire.
I understand that, for enduro riders, the original one may not cover enough area.
 

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I received this email from Sam at Stark Future today:

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I was just about to order a better skidplate, but I'm not sure now. What do you think about this?

I received this as well, and I thought it was Stark being overly concern about me because in an idle moment I sent Sam a suggestion to improve the skid plate by adding a lip that protects the motor.
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Which skidplate is better? I find the stock excellent, although motor must be protected for the rocky terrain I ride. You can see knicks on my new just from roost.
 

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AXP provides extended protection for (hard) enduro riders.

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Stark won't take responsibility for any damage relates to aftermarket parts but I guess if you have unrelated issues your warranty should still work?
 

DaveAusNor

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AXP provides extended protection for (hard) enduro riders.

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Stark won't take responsibility for any damage relates to aftermarket parts but I guess if you have unrelated issues your warranty should still work?
I would hope so. Probably not replace your battery though. What I read was that they designed it to absorb across the whole pack where the image you have here puts all the force through the mounting bolts, and they were not designed for this purpose or forces.
 

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Amazed anyone is daft enough to think these carbon fiber or poly prop without the foam will be better than the stark one, I said it when I first saw them bling brigade out in force as ever!
That foam stark use looks much like what out helmets are lined with try taking that out of your helmet and see how you get on in a crash.

I would have liked to see some frame rails like most ICE mx/enduro bikes have to take the impact with a sump/battery guard bolted on to protect the engine case and would do the same for the battery.
 

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For aesthetic looks wise i thought the thin carbon ones should have been made to bolt on over the OEM stark one.
For actual use though Stark should design one for enduro with extra side protections/linkage guard
 

Erwin P

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I've tried and tested the OEM in Hard Enduro. Worked better than anything else on any other dirtbike.

I really love how "plush" it hits rocks compared to the rest.

Edit: I also love how the OEM bashplate bolts snap at overtightening somewhere around 40Nm. Really clever to not have idiots damage the battery.
 

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I've tried and tested the OEM in Hard Enduro. Worked better than anything else on any other dirtbike.

I really love how "plush" it hits rocks compared to the rest.

Edit: I also love how the OEM bashplate bolts snap at overtightening somewhere around 40Nm. Really clever to not have idiots damage the battery.
I don't have a problem with the stock plate itself and its good padding. But coverage of the battery, linkage, and other under parts is not too good off of dead center. I would have stuck with OEM but the broken fins were a warning for me at least. I did come down on angle in rock garden, and stock didn't even offer much deflection. I agree if you hit stock plate head on it is plush and I like the big foam. But once I damaged the battery I decided for more side coverage.
 

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I don't have a problem with the stock plate itself and its good padding. But coverage of the battery, linkage, and other under parts is not too good off of dead center. I would have stuck with OEM but the broken fins were a warning for me at least. I did come down on angle in rock garden, and stock didn't even offer much deflection. I agree if you hit stock plate head on it is plush and I like the big foam. But once I damaged the battery I decided for more side coverage.

Any chance of installing stock foam in the AXP plate?
That will be the solution for any aftermarket maker.
 

UKLee

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So much of this aftermarket "protection" is poorly designed and can do more harm than good look at some of the adventure bike stuff like scaffolding erected around the engine, seen one stuff a gusset through the crank cases before now but as ever it gets painted a bright colour has some catchy name and gets endorsed by influencers and the clueless buy it.
 

Theo

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Any chance of installing stock foam in the AXP plate?
That will be the solution for any aftermarket maker.
I don’t know whether it was the AXP or another one, but I remember having noticed an aftermarket skid plate that included some rubber block that, after the installation, would have been sandwiched between the plate and the battery. The problem is: how much force should be transmitted to the mounting points? How much to the bottom of the battery through the foam? You could even use the stock foam but ending up relying on it either too little or too much. And what about forces that have a significant horizontal component, like when hitting some pretty asymmetrical rock? These look like that kind of problems solutions which start with some FEM simulation on computers and continue with testing and for which you need battery cases to sacrifice. I highly doubt that any aftermarket company has done the same amount of testing and that they can evaluate the damages or even just the elastic flex deciding whether the battery can accept that mechanical stress or not.
 

DaveAusNor

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Yep, i'll say it again. If the stock guard is good enough for Stark in protecting the bike, then its good enough for me. Any damage that occurs due to lack of protection i'll just warranty.
I'm actually glad I didn't have to buy a whole bunch of aftermarket stuff for this bike. Also no foot brake and no shift level means less stuff to break off or push through the engine casing.
 

Chaconne

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Any chance of installing stock foam in the AXP plate?
That will be the solution for any aftermarket maker.
Foam could be installed I think. In fact, a thin piece of foam is included on the bottom of the AXP plate. The AXP is much much thicker plastic so the trade off is increased coverage and stronger plastic for shock resistance vs less coverage with thin plastic and foam for shock resistance. Stark's view is that their plate is better designed for load distribution which is likely true since the stronger plastic can tend to drive more load to the fasteners rather than foam.

So adding foam to the AXP might change some of the load to the fasteners but my guess is Stark will say the strength of the plastic is the issue. In the end, it is about battery protection and the battery on my first Stark with the stock plate was damaged due to lack of coverage rather than load applied to the plate.

BTW one addendum. The AXP is also designed for better cooling of the battery the added strength allows for space for more venting which you can see in the Slavens pic above.
 
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Chaconne

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Yep, i'll say it again. If the stock guard is good enough for Stark in protecting the bike, then its good enough for me. Any damage that occurs due to lack of protection i'll just warranty.
I'm actually glad I didn't have to buy a whole bunch of aftermarket stuff for this bike. Also no foot brake and no shift level means less stuff to break off or push through the engine casing.
Will Stark warranty a battery damaged in use? I thought it covered defects and workmanship? I would find it very surprising if they replaced a battery obviously damaged in use like a rock cracking the magnesium. Maybe I should go back and read that warranty, I didn't think it was unlimited?

BTW I agree on not adding a lot of after market, I only added the AXP after sustaining physical damage to the battery in my use case which is enduro.
 

Erwin P

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I'm not sure about the warranty on a broken battery case, although i would not rule it out of the picture. If it is cracked on the bottom (covered by the bashplate) i wouldn't be surpriced if they replace it for you.

The weaker plastic on the stock bashplate holds really well. Stronger than that might indeed crack the mounting points on the front.

At this point more coverage is what you want, not different. In that case i would rather go with an extention of the OEM one. That's also available by some brand for the stock bashplate to the linkage.
The linkage is also ''protected'' by just being higher in the first place, i found i hit it far less often and hard than the ones on Beta etc.
 

Chaconne

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I'm not sure about the warranty on a broken battery case, although i would not rule it out of the picture. If it is cracked on the bottom (covered by the bashplate) i wouldn't be surpriced if they replace it for you.

The weaker plastic on the stock bashplate holds really well. Stronger than that might indeed crack the mounting points on the front.

At this point more coverage is what you want, not different. In that case i would rather go with an extention of the OEM one. That's also available by some brand for the stock bashplate to the linkage.
The linkage is also ''protected'' by just being higher in the first place, i found i hit it far less often and hard than the ones on Beta etc.
Yes maybe they would cover the bottom not sure. The real difference is the coverage of the side of the battery --at least for me-- which is very exposed. Since I don't have my previous Stark any longer I can't send a pic (the thieves got the broken battery fins) but the extended side of the battery protection where the air vent are on AXP are is where the rock(s) smashed off fins. Rock gardens with good sized rocks did damage to my gas bikes with standard bottom protection type skidplates too. A cracked case sucks on any bike.

Somebody with a 3d printer could probably come up with some nice side extensions for the stock plate. Maybe Stark should offer that?
 

OpaTsupa

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Somebody with a 3d printer could probably come up with some nice side extensions for the stock plate. Maybe Stark should offer that?
 
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