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Seems like there is skepticism even in the Finnish media especially regarding the former Christian rapper CEOs Marko. Still wait and see. Verge is out and the donut motor seems to work and my experience in tech hasn't given me great confidence in CEOs most of whom pretty much had the skills of...

Some folks are speculating that the Donut uses carbon nanotubes:

It is likely the case of a mixed hybrid which might be a good solution --we'll see. As with all marketing we are given the benefits for the sell without the limitations, which will be visible in time. Hopefully they will deliver on the Verge and the reality of the product will be clearer. Even...

That 500 wh/kg battery was not solid state iirc. And it had many of the same electrolyte drawbacks as other Li batteries (fire, environment, longevity, and etc).

Usually here in the US the "core R&D" is the problem. The old cow giving reliable milk is easier for a slew of bureaucrats to understand than some new idea that will cost more money and potentially fail and also erodes into the slimming margins of the core as the cow ages and faces others with...

The super cap idea has been speculated across the industry. If it meets specifications they claim, I suppose the distinction between a cap and battery may end up being semantics?

You never know. Growing up I always wanted a powered skateboard. There were clunky solutions back then with small 2T engines and throttle string and kind of mechanical stuff. Mostly useless. Well I got old of course, but about 10 years ago when my son was younger I got him a one-wheel and...

Agreed. Most of the previous solutions I have seen have been mechanical drive systems of some sort or another and that alone adds weight and tended to make the systems unsuited for a motorcycle front end. Kind of kludgey from the start. A donut system may be more suited, but there many of the...

I wonder if those Verge/Donut guys have considered using that Donut motor for the front wheel on a motorcycle for all wheel drive. The things my imagination allows me to do with my all-wheel drive Stark Varg in the gnarl are well...unspeakable. :cool:

Interesting. Dendritic growth is a subtle problem in many electronic environments. I am more familiar with it in PCBs than batteries but I can see how that might happen.

💯 agree. $100.00 US ok maybe worth the risk. Almost $4k US you better show me pictures of my bike on the production line and when it is loaded on the skid and at the dock ready for ship. We all saw what has happened in the past. Promises made promises not kept.

They should provide potential customers with a lot for the huge a deposit. I think I would take a chance on the 100.00 on the Verge to 3800.00 on the Jarvis... I would be very careful laying out that kind of money for a promise of production. We all know how that can go.

💯 Agree. I am pretty happy over all with my Varg. On the business side, this is common practice among "tech bros" these days. Over promise, under deliver, screw the customer.

Think Tokamak.

Aren't they the same company? AI says Verge owns Donut Lab as a subsidiary.

I would probably go to $20k US for 11-12Kwh SS tomorrow if I could have that no problem. Well it might be that I put off some rehab on this condo. But I would rather die having ridden the future than fix up this place that I am going to give to my son anyway. He can do the rehab if I eat shit...

I would spend for sure. I hate liquid electrolyte, it is like medieval tech to me. Solid state would truly be mind changing and truly a revolution. And with increased density and lower weight those would just pure bonus as far as I am concerned.

Ya and I also get a little wary with the Nvidia like circularity schemes. Donut Labs is Verge is Donut Labs is Verge...

I have to admit I am pretty psyched if this is real. Remember in 2023 I was saying I thought SS might be closer on motorcycles that imagined and folks around here were convinced automobiles would be first. And SS would be long way off for MCs. What would really be great is if we could upgrade...

100.00 refundable deposit... Sounds familiar. You can get the old school lower range for $5K less. I am super interested in SS tech. But I think I would have to go to court and skip out on child support to swallow that $$$.