2025 Stark Varg rumors, changes, etc.

[Bpspecs]

So we know stark is coming out with an enduro model changes to be forth coming. Stark doesn’t like to call their Varg by year model just Varg. Even tho they have slightly changed it in the last couple of years by updates to software or Gen 2 physical hardware. That leads me to any rumors or facts about changes to the mx version in 2025? Also heard that Stark might also come out with a little smaller Dust Moto/Surron ultra bee size. maybe in a year or twol

 

[Bpspecs]

Anyone else with rumors/ tidbits On varg 2025’s

 

[Beagle]

Road legal enduro is confirmed for 2025, Supermoto should be ready as well (definitely more taxing for the battery and overheating).

Royal Enfield Flying flea (commuter bike) and e-Himalayan (adventure bike, 13 kWh) are coming in the next couple of years but concerning proper new Stark models they're keeping their cards close to the chest, even though they've mentioned expending to street bikes from the start.

It would be a great success if they could release a smaller bike, Surron competitor, but that would be hard to have a competitive price?

 

[Bpspecs]

But considering if you buy a surron ultra bee then change everything out to make it mx worthy your close to 20k U.S.D. DUST MOTO HIGHTAIL will be 11k coming next December For ultra bee size.

 

[happyinmotion]

I'm happy to start this rumour - 2025 Starks will come with no rear brake. They will just have an electronic brake using the motor and controllable levels of regen.

I have no evidence for this, other than it just makes sense. The rear lever will control the amount of regen. The motor gives you 80 hp of braking - that's always going to be enough torque to lock the rear wheel. Yes, this will put more heat into the powertrain but the heat can get dumped into the liquid coolant and radiator.

So what do you need a rear brake for?

You don't.

This change will save you $450 in parts and a couple of kilos of unsprung weight. Less unsprung weight makes a huge difference to how well your suspension works. No rear brake means more responsive rear suspension so more grip. All of this is going to make for a faster, lighter, and cheaper bike.

 

[Aleksandar13]

I'm happy to start this rumour - 2025 Starks will come with no rear brake. They will just have an electronic brake using the motor and controllable levels of regen.

I have no evidence for this, other than it just makes sense. The rear lever will control the amount of regen. The motor gives you 80 hp of braking - that's always going to be enough torque to lock the rear wheel. Yes, this will put more heat into the powertrain but the heat can get dumped into the liquid coolant and radiator.

So what do you need a rear brake for?

You don't.

This change will save you $450 in parts and a couple of kilos of unsprung weight. Less unsprung weight makes a huge difference to how well your suspension works. No rear brake means more responsive rear suspension so more grip. All of this is going to make for a faster, lighter, and cheaper bike.

Definitely on the optimistic side

 

[Beagle]

I'm happy to start this rumour - 2025 Starks will come with no rear brake. They will just have an electronic brake using the motor and controllable levels of regen.

I have no evidence for this, other than it just makes sense. The rear lever will control the amount of regen. The motor gives you 80 hp of braking - that's always going to be enough torque to lock the rear wheel. Yes, this will put more heat into the powertrain but the heat can get dumped into the liquid coolant and radiator.

So what do you need a rear brake for?

You don't.

This change will save you $450 in parts and a couple of kilos of unsprung weight. Less unsprung weight makes a huge difference to how well your suspension works. No rear brake means more responsive rear suspension so more grip. All of this is going to make for a faster, lighter, and cheaper bike.

Ducati is doing that with its MotoE. I believe they still offer riders a mechanical rear brake as an option.

 

[rk42]

I'm happy to start this rumour - 2025 Starks will come with no rear brake. They will just have an electronic brake using the motor and controllable levels of regen.

I have no evidence for this, other than it just makes sense. The rear lever will control the amount of regen. The motor gives you 80 hp of braking - that's always going to be enough torque to lock the rear wheel. Yes, this will put more heat into the powertrain but the heat can get dumped into the liquid coolant and radiator.

So what do you need a rear brake for?

You don't.

This change will save you $450 in parts and a couple of kilos of unsprung weight. Less unsprung weight makes a huge difference to how well your suspension works. No rear brake means more responsive rear suspension so more grip. All of this is going to make for a faster, lighter, and cheaper bike.

I think you're overlooking a key issue: the extreme tension on the chain caused by heavy regen braking. It can make the bike handle like crap through bumps. Ask any trainer, and they'll tell you that high-revving engine braking makes it harder to ride through rough sections—especially on 450s, shifting up helps to smooth things out.

I've also ridden a Pohlbock with a similar braking setup some years ago. Super fun bike overall, but the braking situation was a nightmare for motocross.

That said, I can only speak from a motocross perspective. Maybe for enduro or street riding, this kind of setup could work better, but for MX? I’m skeptical.

 

[Bpspecs]

I’m mx only and would never like a set rear braking regen.

 

[Bpspecs]

On another note kove Will soon add to the e dirt bike stable and Flux

 

[happyinmotion]

Sure, the chain tension affects the rear suspension, as does a rear brake that are fixed to the swing-arm - call it anti-rise, brake jacking, or stiffening. That's why floating rear brakes have been tried, many times, but they haven't caught on. Rear ends work well enough under braking.

As with all these things, it's a trade-off - better rear suspension because of less unsprung weight versus worse rear suspension because of chain tension.

I suspect that lower unsprung weight will win out, because that gets you better grip all of the time, whether you're braking or not. I'm basing this on my experience running a Zerode MTB - that has a Pinion gearbox at the bottom bracket with just one cog at the back instead of 12 cogs and a derailleur. That saves half a kilo and the back end grip is so much improved.

 

[Bpspecs]

Now with the ex version out. time to make mx version lighter with quick change batteries, etc.

 

[Bpspecs]

Hope the mx version gets the better waterproof switching etc!

 

[Bpspecs]

I believe EBMX will come out with a e dirt bike soon. Possibly ultra bee size

 

[AL_V]

Now with the ex version out. time to make mx version lighter with quick change batteries, etc.

Making the battery quick change will not make the bike lighter, unless they make the battery significantly smaller.
Right or wrong, Stark does not think a smaller battery setup would be desirable to most people, especially on MX, where the high speeds chows the battery quickly.

 

[Aleksandar13]

Making the battery quick change will not make the bike lighter, unless they make the battery significantly smaller.
Right or wrong, Stark does not think a smaller battery setup would be desirable to most people, especially on MX, where the high speeds chows the battery quickly.

I think the solution for this would be an upgraded charger and I have a feeling they would work on this, even for the enduro market where you can dumb 50 percent of the charge in let's say 15 to 20 min. That wouldn't be harmful I guess as there is plenty of cars with batteries that take similar charges or faster.
That would be a game changer for mx and enduro.
I'm enduro championships they could have these chargers at stages where people compete on Vargs and instead of a refuel you will end up with a 20 min static time to charge the bike.

 

[Beagle]

I think the solution for this would be an upgraded charger and I have a feeling they would work on this, even for the enduro market where you can dumb 50 percent of the charge in let's say 15 to 20 min. That wouldn't be harmful I guess as there is plenty of cars with batteries that take similar charges or faster.
That would be a game changer for mx and enduro.
I'm enduro championships they could have these chargers at stages where people compete on Vargs and instead of a refuel you will end up with a 20 min static time to charge the bike.

Even some accessory allowing to charge the battery outside of the bike could be useful for guys doing long enduros.

If you buy this imaginary accessory plus an extra battery (3k) you can ride (loops) for the entire day.

Stark mechanics swap batteries in a couple of minutes for Taddy and Eddie, one can hope to master this in 20 min with minor tweaking to the bodywork.

 

[Aleksandar13]

Even some accessory allowing to charge the battery outside of the bike could be useful for guys doing long enduros.

If you buy this imaginary accessory plus an extra battery (3k) you can ride (loops) for the entire day.

Stark mechanics swap batteries in a couple of minutes for Taddy and Eddie, one can hope to master this in 20 min with minor tweaking to the bodywork.

I also think that in a short period of time there will be new classes just for the electric bikes and then they will probably make allowances for riding this type of bike. This year in Romania at the romanics they had one 40 mile day one 50 mile and I believe 70 miles was the most.
40 and 50 miles are probably achievable on the mx bike as it stands depending on terrain and rider hopefully with the new battery some people might see more... I'm optimistic as I enjoy the bike so much and think that the company is going to thrive and become a really cool brand with great bikes.

 

[wfopete]

Honda will by out Stark Future by 2026.

 

[Dirt-E]

Stark mechanics swap batteries in a couple of minutes for Taddy and Eddie, one can hope to master this in 20 min with minor tweaking to the bodywork.

This is a race team, not so guy in a garage. There's a pretty big reason why manufacturers like Alta and Stark went with fixed batteries instead of swappable types. Namely for durability reasons, but liability as well. You're not out jumping triples on a Surron (or at least not for very many attempts before the bike gets destroyed).

I get the appeal of swapping batteries, but it's incredibly hard on the connectors that can pass this much power. Now of course, if I'm wrong then I'm happy to be updated on it. But it's a large part of the decision process from what I've learned so far about EVs.