General electronic wheelie assist

[Theo]

Like already discussed offtopic in other threads, some people including me would like to have wheelie assitance. While I don't have problems controling the bike as the front wheel detaches from the ground under accelerations or coming out of crests (power wheelies were usual when I used my YZ250), I am little capable of holding a wheelie intentionally for long, even on a bicycle, and I'd like to be able to try and wheelie when skimming whoops like some pros do.
Even if I won't get a wheelie assit that can hold the wheelie through whoops, maybe something that works on a flat surface could help me learn how to wheelie: I would at least have the chance to train side balance on one wheel, then maybe I could get the back-front balance and learn completely how to wheelie.
I've found out two interesting videos about this:

1) a tutorial from Surron about how to set their wheelie control guidance:

Apparently, people are still waiting for this to be available on the bikes, though.

2) a video from Sur Ronster about a Moxin controller that lets Surrons wheeling automatically, plus the wheelie bike that, like shown in the video, can wheelie automatically and even in reverse:

In the video, Sur Ronster sounds pretty suspicious, but electric unycicles and similar vehicles with one wheels axis basically wheelie all the time like he says in the video, so to me it doesn't sound that unachievable.

I really hope that Stark Future will make something like this available on my bike, too.

 

[Erwin P]

KTM has it on ICE streetbikes. Shouldn't be to hard in E bikes.

 

[Theo]

KTM has it on ICE streetbikes. Shouldn't be to hard in E bikes.

I didn't know about this; it's also some years old already. As far as I've understood, on those KTMs the system won't let the rider wheeling forever on the balance point like Sur Ronster did in his video and the assited wheelies will last as long as there will be a revs increase, but on the other end I guess that on an electric bike without gear shifts it should be much easier: the revs last much more because of one long gear, the regen brake and the throttle response are more controllable, the power delivey is more constant.

 

[Kurlon]

Yeah, the 'wheelie control' on streetbikes is there to limit wheel lift either 'at all' or to a specified, really low amount.

 

[Karinshi]

i think Stark could implement that by software with little effort since it has the VCU that can control things like that, i will love it

 

[Kurlon]

i think Stark could implement that by software with little effort since it has the VCU that can control things like that, i will love it

I suspect it will require a lower latency connection than can be achieved via low power bluetooth...

 

[OpaTsupa]

There's another video of a guy who built a similar wheelie rig for the Varg in his garage.
I can't find it now.

 

[Erwin P]

I suspect it will require a lower latency connection than can be achieved via low power bluetooth...

The VCU is not Bluetooth connected. The phone is just a display.

 

[Erwin P]

Yeah, the 'wheelie control' on streetbikes is there to limit wheel lift either 'at all' or to a specified, really low amount.

Is you can limit it to a limited amount you can limit it to anything.

 

[Bodo]

I can imagine efficient use of garage space, like so

• stand beside the bike, both hands on steering bar
• press&hold knob, hold bar - bike crawls upright
• press another knob - crawl forward or backward as usual

Is that realistically possible, especially 2.); can enough torque at the rear wheel reduce the force required to pull the steering bar while it's climbing upright?
Can it support itself while crawling around, ie. reduce the force for the operator to that of a 5kg pushbike?