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Welcome to the club! We are glad to have you here, Andreas and Nina.
HVR MX2 99kg Fullsize MX and HVR 85Pro 85cc Size Bike from Germany
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Thanks for sharing your story.Yes, HVR stands for High Voltage Racing... when we made the decission for the Company Name in 2017 we thought "Low Voltage Racing" maybe would sound little bit stupidBut for LV System on the Kids bikes is a serious reason, in Europe you are not allowed on races with bikes over 60V DC. We had lots of discussions with associations to bring the Electric bikes into races and its still lots of work needed to fight against the mindset of some petrolheads.
I really like the "High Voltage Racing" name but the "HVR" is a bit awkward. That goes for 4-5 languages I'm familiar with, including German.
Of course, make a bike that is better than Stark Varg and it won't matter.
Really like your MX2 product design.
It has a very traditional frame design, nice and sturdy tube design, not the forged aluminum like Sur Ron which has limits in terms of abuse it can take.
I also like that you are using a version of the WS138 motor, based on my recently built conversion these motors have more than enough power for most riders and I think will help keel cost down.
Lastly really like that you have been able to keep a low weight but still have a pretty big battery. I think the low weight should enable better range and less rider fatigue.
What would the cost be shipped to the US.
Great vision for the product.
It has a very traditional frame design, nice and sturdy tube design, not the forged aluminum like Sur Ron which has limits in terms of abuse it can take.
I also like that you are using a version of the WS138 motor, based on my recently built conversion these motors have more than enough power for most riders and I think will help keel cost down.
Lastly really like that you have been able to keep a low weight but still have a pretty big battery. I think the low weight should enable better range and less rider fatigue.
What would the cost be shipped to the US.
Great vision for the product.
Hello, welcome and thank you for having found the time to write this. I hope I haven't given you the impression that I wanted to attack your company: I would feel very sorry for that. I honestly didn't even know that Nina was the co-founder, I just thought that she was sharing information about those bikes like a lot of us do when we find out a new brand, so maybe I was a little too direct.
That's the future of the sport and I'm sure a lot of parents love quiet, low maintenance bikes for their kids.
Well, you see, this is way more reassuring. Put yourself into the shoes of a motocross rider, even a slow one like me: you see a new manufacturer you don't know anything about; it could just be someone who has made a bike without proper designing and testing; would you trust their bike landing from big jumps?
Now that you've told us that you have done your own testing, not necessarily identical to Alta's or Stark's, and that you have left a safety margin and tested 30 MX2s for 2 years, things sound better.
I would have just avoided mentioning the voltage in your case, but I also admit that most of the people won't care about this.Yes, HVR stands for High Voltage Racing... when we made the decission for the Company Name in 2017 we thought "Low Voltage Racing" maybe would sound little bit stupid
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Welcome @Andreas Keim !
I had some email contact with Nina since i was curious to your brand. Honestly i was expecting the typical China dropshipping answer, turned out i was very wrong!
Even ended up with an invitation to your factory. Wich is 7 hours away but i just might combine it with some trip
Good to hear you went with way bigger FastAce shocks. That on the Zero DS is kind off a toy you expect on Aliexpress . How is parts supply of your FastAce components? Zero does not offer anything and i emailed FastAce and they don't have any parts for it as well.
Additional question on the shock. How did they solve ''the lack off'' a linkage? Does it have some kind of PDS system? The one on the Zero is kinda awkward bouncy.
I think it was a good decision of you not to take the Stark heads on. You just don't have the budget nor time/connections those guys can leverage. However the Stark is a big expensive bike and was about the only real choice for the track.
A 20kg lighter bike may just be that what some less big riders like. And again, in places like Bilstain this will be a weapon!
I would really love to test one of these bikes on a few tracks so i can compare it to the Stark and Beta RR. Lets say Itterbeck and Emmen (tight hardpack and wide open sand track).
It doesn't need to be as fast as a Stark to be a succes. Just good and fun enough at a €3600 pricegap.
I had some email contact with Nina since i was curious to your brand. Honestly i was expecting the typical China dropshipping answer, turned out i was very wrong!
Even ended up with an invitation to your factory. Wich is 7 hours away but i just might combine it with some trip
Good to hear you went with way bigger FastAce shocks. That on the Zero DS is kind off a toy you expect on Aliexpress . How is parts supply of your FastAce components? Zero does not offer anything and i emailed FastAce and they don't have any parts for it as well.
Additional question on the shock. How did they solve ''the lack off'' a linkage? Does it have some kind of PDS system? The one on the Zero is kinda awkward bouncy.
I think it was a good decision of you not to take the Stark heads on. You just don't have the budget nor time/connections those guys can leverage. However the Stark is a big expensive bike and was about the only real choice for the track.
A 20kg lighter bike may just be that what some less big riders like. And again, in places like Bilstain this will be a weapon!
I would really love to test one of these bikes on a few tracks so i can compare it to the Stark and Beta RR. Lets say Itterbeck and Emmen (tight hardpack and wide open sand track).
It doesn't need to be as fast as a Stark to be a succes. Just good and fun enough at a €3600 pricegap.
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Great story Andreas! Thanks so much for chiming in here. Alway great to hear from the people who are actually making these products we all debate, criticize (that's what the internet is meant for, right?!) and drool over.
Love learning about the passion and what it actually takes to make these machines for the masses, be they big or small. You're certainly pushing things further than your former completely anonymous Austrian employer seems to be. Cheers! I'll still standby my previous comments on pricing, but for the right customer, your machines are the right option.
Both of your machines seem like fun options for the right rider. Would love to have a chance to try out the MX2 someday. Having built my own YZ-E conversion with the QS138 70h V3 and ridden the Dust (a prototype from 2024), I'd love to see how your machine with proprietary battery and controller stacks up. I have no doubt it's a fun ride. And I do agree on suspension... unless you're Josh Hill or Carson Brown (neither of whom would probably care) FastAce suspension will probably meet most riders' needs.
Love learning about the passion and what it actually takes to make these machines for the masses, be they big or small. You're certainly pushing things further than your former completely anonymous Austrian employer seems to be. Cheers! I'll still standby my previous comments on pricing, but for the right customer, your machines are the right option.
Both of your machines seem like fun options for the right rider. Would love to have a chance to try out the MX2 someday. Having built my own YZ-E conversion with the QS138 70h V3 and ridden the Dust (a prototype from 2024), I'd love to see how your machine with proprietary battery and controller stacks up. I have no doubt it's a fun ride. And I do agree on suspension... unless you're Josh Hill or Carson Brown (neither of whom would probably care) FastAce suspension will probably meet most riders' needs.
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Hi,
thanks for your warm welcome here!
No worries about being direct, thats absolutely to understand. Germans like direct conversation
There are lots of people, companies etc presenting new bikes, some chinese bikes with own stickers and there are also some bikes from new players but having one bike running is far away from ready for production, you can believe we know this very well. But to the fact that we can not expect electric bikes from the big OEM´s small and new players have to do this. Actually new MX bikes need to have 81hp or 82hp or 83hp in advertisement since 80hp Varg. So we understand totally skepticism.
Yes our workload was very high the last 8 years and it seems to stay also on this level, but we try to answer here.
Attached what motivates us:
2023 and 2024 Austrian Supermoto championchip Winner 50cc class against the gas bikes
BR
Andreas
thanks for your warm welcome here!
No worries about being direct, thats absolutely to understand. Germans like direct conversation
There are lots of people, companies etc presenting new bikes, some chinese bikes with own stickers and there are also some bikes from new players but having one bike running is far away from ready for production, you can believe we know this very well. But to the fact that we can not expect electric bikes from the big OEM´s small and new players have to do this. Actually new MX bikes need to have 81hp or 82hp or 83hp in advertisement since 80hp Varg
. So we understand totally skepticism.Yes our workload was very high the last 8 years and it seems to stay also on this level, but we try to answer here.
Attached what motivates us:
2023 and 2024 Austrian Supermoto championchip Winner 50cc class against the gas bikes
BR
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Very cool!
I was actually shocked by how much advantage i had from the E drivetrain when i took the Stark MX on SM around Pottendijk karting track. Sure we all knew how fast it would be out of the corner onto the straight. But the biggest gain is actually IN the corners. The overal smoothness and no thumper upsetting the frame and suspension was a wild advantage!
For me personally i would not go for a E MX under 48hp. The 80hp of the Stark is just stupid, i think we can all agree on that. Would buy it again in a heatbeat though, but realisticly the 60hp would very much do.
But on the sandy tracks here in the Netherlands the stark at 42hp (one of my settings) it just lacking a bit. 48hp is great and what we are allowed to run in MX2. So would be a great choice i suppose. However when i'm at Itterbeck (tight hardpack) 42hp is my prevered setting, but even that's a bit overkill. I've seen that at 16hp i'm only 3 seconds slower on a 2 minute lap (did test it against some 200cc Chinese thing with 16hp, so to ''level'' the playing field). Probably my fastest would be around 30hp.
At that tight track the MX2 might actually be faster due to it being smaller.
I was actually shocked by how much advantage i had from the E drivetrain when i took the Stark MX on SM around Pottendijk karting track. Sure we all knew how fast it would be out of the corner onto the straight. But the biggest gain is actually IN the corners. The overal smoothness and no thumper upsetting the frame and suspension was a wild advantage!
For me personally i would not go for a E MX under 48hp. The 80hp of the Stark is just stupid, i think we can all agree on that. Would buy it again in a heatbeat though, but realisticly the 60hp would very much do.
But on the sandy tracks here in the Netherlands the stark at 42hp (one of my settings) it just lacking a bit. 48hp is great and what we are allowed to run in MX2. So would be a great choice i suppose. However when i'm at Itterbeck (tight hardpack) 42hp is my prevered setting, but even that's a bit overkill. I've seen that at 16hp i'm only 3 seconds slower on a 2 minute lap (did test it against some 200cc Chinese thing with 16hp, so to ''level'' the playing field). Probably my fastest would be around 30hp.
At that tight track the MX2 might actually be faster due to it being smaller.