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The gist of this post is that I just installed and tested an MXR suspension revalved by KTM World in Georgia, tested it twice this weekend, and it is now my most favorite Alta suspension by a large margin. I am very happy!
If you want to know more details, keep reading.
I am not a noob to suspension tuning. I had to mod every suspension that I have ever owned. My longest tuning process was the dreadful 4CS on my 2015 Husky 2-stroke. I teamed up with Adam of Kreft Moto. He was sending me shim stack recommendations, and I was revalving and testing. After more than 20 iterations we got it down to being almost perfect, only to replace it with a stock KYB SSS, which gave me the last 3% that I could not achieve with the 4CS.
Enter Alta Redshift MX. The same 4CS, only with a much nicer baseline tune. However, it was set up for a 90-lbs C-class rider. It was good enough for trail riding, but not for any MX whoops or jumping. Luckily, nice people from Alta sent me their secret Factory developed Redshift MX suspension shim stack specs. That kept me happy for a while. I would call this shim stack a "C" class rider setup, or a good setup for someone who does not jump big jumps. It works well everywhere, except it can blow through on large impacts.
Then I bought the MXR. This was my first foray into air forks. The front and the rear of the MXR were a huge improvement over the MX. The bottoming resistance and the spring rates were greatly improved. However, my rear shock low-speed damping was way too soft.
To fix my MXR suspension, I first mailed it to Kreft Moto. That didn't go well. Both the front and the rear came back softer than before. I was afraid to jump that bike, afraid to hurt my wrists and knees more than just temporarily. Luckily, like most self-respecting companies, Kreft has a money back guarantee. After two iterations Adam put my suspension back to stock. The only thing I lost was time.
Then the suspension flew from Kreft straight to Brian at N2Dirt. @Fod and @Fog 25 were posing rave reviews of his Alta suspension work. Brian didn't disappoint. The new suspension had more low-speed damping, was less busy on small bumps than the MXR v.1 suspension, had some improved plushness, and had a better bottoming resistance.
In the meantime, while Brian was working on my suspension, I drove through Ohio and bought my second MXR. As I learned later, it had a v.2 rear shock, the kind that was supposed to have come on the MXR from the beginning. Some earlier MXRs had a softer than intended rear shock valving due to a miss by WP (MXR Rear Shock v.1 vs. v.2). The v.2 was a huge improvement over the v.1. The front was the same, but the rear was no longer underdamped. The bottoming resistance was better, and the bike was stable and rideable in the whoops and in the sand. If this was the MXR that I had bought first, I would have probably still been riding the stock suspension. It is perfectly adequate for a fast C-class or a typical vet rider.
Anyway... the N2Dirt and the Stock MXR v.2 suspensions felt so similar that I could hardly tell them apart. My praises and minor gripes were about the same on both suspensions. I was most comfortable with the clickers being slightly stiffer than recommended, which was giving me good control and bottoming resistance, but my hands were getting tired on bumpy tracks. At the same time, I was using the full suspension travel on every lap, and landing short or overjumping was painful. I couldn't go softer, and I couldn't go stiffer.
As I started to get better and going faster on my favorite practice tracks, I craved for more bottoming resistance that would come without an increase in harshness. I recalled @MattB likes to over-jump 80-foot jumps. He had his suspension revalved by KTM World in Georgia, and he said that the suspension had an improvement in damping, bottoming resistance, and felt more like his air forked KTM 450SXF, which usually means pretty good. That was intriguing.
So, I decided to send my second MXR suspension to KTM World at the beginning of this month to give them a try. Why not? The turnaround was pretty quick, but my local track in AZ is open only every other weekend, so I only got to test it for the first time yesterday and today.
What an improvement!!! A very large improvement over six other Alta suspensions that I have tried so far (MX stock, MX Factory re-tune, MXR stock v.1, Kreft, MXR stock v.2, and N2Dirt). Seventh time is a charm.
For the first time ever I felt like the Alta became light in the vertical direction. Today I felt like I was Musquin passing Tomac by jumping the whoops at Anaheim 2. It was flying over obstacles and skimming the tops of bumps, not bogging down in them. My hands are now more relaxed than ever.
The bottoming resistance is my most favorite part. I can now run a whole practice and never bottom in the front or in the rear, even though my rear spring is still the stock 60 N/mm, and the air fork pressure is the same 154 psi that I have always run before. If I come short on a table top, or overshoot something, the suspension stiffens up and does not blow through. I noticed the fork travel indicator O-ring is usually about 20mm from the bottom, and the old black tire marks on the rear fender are now always covered with a layer of dirt. The suspension uses less travel, yet it feels slightly softer on small impacts at the same time. It feels stiffer on medium and large impacts, not allowing it to blow through the stroke.
I added 2 rebound clicks to keep the bike flying closer to the ground and to make it stay in the ruts better. I also set the sag at 90mm, which is when the bike became neutral enough, making it easier to transition from a brake slide to a power slide. The riding was so easy that I put in a few good long riding sessions, riding fast but relaxed. My heart rate was barely over 150bpm. It used to be in the 180-190bpm range a few years ago when I rode 2-strokes. I am very happy now.
If you want to know more details, keep reading.
I am not a noob to suspension tuning. I had to mod every suspension that I have ever owned. My longest tuning process was the dreadful 4CS on my 2015 Husky 2-stroke. I teamed up with Adam of Kreft Moto. He was sending me shim stack recommendations, and I was revalving and testing. After more than 20 iterations we got it down to being almost perfect, only to replace it with a stock KYB SSS, which gave me the last 3% that I could not achieve with the 4CS.
Enter Alta Redshift MX. The same 4CS, only with a much nicer baseline tune. However, it was set up for a 90-lbs C-class rider. It was good enough for trail riding, but not for any MX whoops or jumping. Luckily, nice people from Alta sent me their secret Factory developed Redshift MX suspension shim stack specs. That kept me happy for a while. I would call this shim stack a "C" class rider setup, or a good setup for someone who does not jump big jumps. It works well everywhere, except it can blow through on large impacts.
Then I bought the MXR. This was my first foray into air forks. The front and the rear of the MXR were a huge improvement over the MX. The bottoming resistance and the spring rates were greatly improved. However, my rear shock low-speed damping was way too soft.
To fix my MXR suspension, I first mailed it to Kreft Moto. That didn't go well. Both the front and the rear came back softer than before. I was afraid to jump that bike, afraid to hurt my wrists and knees more than just temporarily. Luckily, like most self-respecting companies, Kreft has a money back guarantee. After two iterations Adam put my suspension back to stock. The only thing I lost was time.
Then the suspension flew from Kreft straight to Brian at N2Dirt. @Fod and @Fog 25 were posing rave reviews of his Alta suspension work. Brian didn't disappoint. The new suspension had more low-speed damping, was less busy on small bumps than the MXR v.1 suspension, had some improved plushness, and had a better bottoming resistance.
In the meantime, while Brian was working on my suspension, I drove through Ohio and bought my second MXR. As I learned later, it had a v.2 rear shock, the kind that was supposed to have come on the MXR from the beginning. Some earlier MXRs had a softer than intended rear shock valving due to a miss by WP (MXR Rear Shock v.1 vs. v.2). The v.2 was a huge improvement over the v.1. The front was the same, but the rear was no longer underdamped. The bottoming resistance was better, and the bike was stable and rideable in the whoops and in the sand. If this was the MXR that I had bought first, I would have probably still been riding the stock suspension. It is perfectly adequate for a fast C-class or a typical vet rider.
Anyway... the N2Dirt and the Stock MXR v.2 suspensions felt so similar that I could hardly tell them apart. My praises and minor gripes were about the same on both suspensions. I was most comfortable with the clickers being slightly stiffer than recommended, which was giving me good control and bottoming resistance, but my hands were getting tired on bumpy tracks. At the same time, I was using the full suspension travel on every lap, and landing short or overjumping was painful. I couldn't go softer, and I couldn't go stiffer.
As I started to get better and going faster on my favorite practice tracks, I craved for more bottoming resistance that would come without an increase in harshness. I recalled @MattB likes to over-jump 80-foot jumps. He had his suspension revalved by KTM World in Georgia, and he said that the suspension had an improvement in damping, bottoming resistance, and felt more like his air forked KTM 450SXF, which usually means pretty good. That was intriguing.
So, I decided to send my second MXR suspension to KTM World at the beginning of this month to give them a try. Why not? The turnaround was pretty quick, but my local track in AZ is open only every other weekend, so I only got to test it for the first time yesterday and today.
What an improvement!!! A very large improvement over six other Alta suspensions that I have tried so far (MX stock, MX Factory re-tune, MXR stock v.1, Kreft, MXR stock v.2, and N2Dirt). Seventh time is a charm.
For the first time ever I felt like the Alta became light in the vertical direction. Today I felt like I was Musquin passing Tomac by jumping the whoops at Anaheim 2. It was flying over obstacles and skimming the tops of bumps, not bogging down in them. My hands are now more relaxed than ever.
The bottoming resistance is my most favorite part. I can now run a whole practice and never bottom in the front or in the rear, even though my rear spring is still the stock 60 N/mm, and the air fork pressure is the same 154 psi that I have always run before. If I come short on a table top, or overshoot something, the suspension stiffens up and does not blow through. I noticed the fork travel indicator O-ring is usually about 20mm from the bottom, and the old black tire marks on the rear fender are now always covered with a layer of dirt. The suspension uses less travel, yet it feels slightly softer on small impacts at the same time. It feels stiffer on medium and large impacts, not allowing it to blow through the stroke.
I added 2 rebound clicks to keep the bike flying closer to the ground and to make it stay in the ruts better. I also set the sag at 90mm, which is when the bike became neutral enough, making it easier to transition from a brake slide to a power slide. The riding was so easy that I put in a few good long riding sessions, riding fast but relaxed. My heart rate was barely over 150bpm. It used to be in the 180-190bpm range a few years ago when I rode 2-strokes. I am very happy now.