Reservations & Delivery/Due Dates


Chadx

Active member
Location
Montana
I just ordered a second Varg. As we thought, the first two letters of the order number appear to be initials, but the number does appear to be consecutive.

First order: 12/14/2021. Estimated delivery date of 9/24/2022. Order #CC12268
Second order: 02/08/2022. Estimated delivery date of 04/21/2023. Order #CC96152

No way to tell, but it seems plausible that my first order was the 12,268 order and my current order was 96,152 order. 100,000 orders seems realistic since we are talking worldwide orders.
 

Number Six

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Location
Midwest
I just ordered a second Varg. As we thought, the first two letters of the order number appear to be initials, but the number does appear to be consecutive.

First order: 12/14/2021. Estimated delivery date of 9/24/2022. Order #CC12268
Second order: 02/08/2022. Estimated delivery date of 04/21/2023. Order #CC96152

No way to tell, but it seems plausible that my first order was the 12,268 order and my current order was 96,152 order. 100,000 orders seems realistic since we are talking worldwide orders.
In a recent interview on PulpMx, the company founder stated that 5000 units were sold in the 1st 6 weeks.
5000 units is quite impressive in that it factors to 60 million in sales @ 12K each, all in one and a half months ! Likely the best selling vehicle of any kind during that time.
If there were 96,152 orders to date & at an average of 12K each .. that'd be $1.15 Billion in sales over 8 weeks for a single model of a dirt-only machine that has yet to be produced.
Guessing that nomenclature following the initials means something else entirely.
 

Smerwin43

Member
Location
Nevada
I just ordered a second Varg. As we thought, the first two letters of the order number appear to be initials, but the number does appear to be consecutive.

First order: 12/14/2021. Estimated delivery date of 9/24/2022. Order #CC12268
Second order: 02/08/2022. Estimated delivery date of 04/21/2023. Order #CC96152

No way to tell, but it seems plausible that my first order was the 12,268 order and my current order was 96,152 order. 100,000 orders seems realistic since we are talking worldwide orders.
Definitely not 100000 orders, ordered first stark on Dec 16th (#TM33367) and then around 10 minutes later a second order (#TM63896). Both orders supposedly arriving on December 25th of 2022. Highly doubt they sold 30000 units in 10 minutes. Anton Wass mentioned on pulp that they are around 5000 units sold at six weeks in.
 

enjoythesilenc

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Location
virginia
I just ordered a second Varg. As we thought, the first two letters of the order number appear to be initials, but the number does appear to be consecutive.

First order: 12/14/2021. Estimated delivery date of 9/24/2022. Order #CC12268
Second order: 02/08/2022. Estimated delivery date of 04/21/2023. Order #CC96152

No way to tell, but it seems plausible that my first order was the 12,268 order and my current order was 96,152 order. 100,000 orders seems realistic since we are talking worldwide orders.
Lets take a conservative look at this. The owner says 5000 order in the first 6 weeks. Lets say your first order is the first bike made and your second order is #5000.

They will start building bike #1 and it will take 9 months to finish. Bike #5000 will be finished 7 months later. So the factory is finishing over 700 bikes per month.

Is this even remotely plausible? (Bike #5000 will get Molicel #2,000,000):)

Or to look at another way: They have 2 prototypes today and in 14 months they will build 360 bikes every month starting this month. How big a workforce and factory will this require?
 

Jayfox911

Well-known member
Location
San Diego, CA
I’ll take my random guess at order numbers.

First digit is lot or batch number, then rest are order numbers starting at 1000 because they like the way it looked haha. Like how you can get a check book starting at any random umber you want because people don’t like check number 0001. 🤷‍♂️ :unsure:
 

Chadx

Active member
Location
Montana
Alright, you guys have me convinced I was being way over optimistic for them. Ha. I just figured 5 or 10k bikes per 20 or 10 countries didn't sound unrealistic since there are 700,000 - 900,000 motorcycle sales in the US alone each year. And Honda alone sells 19.3 million motorcycles a year globally. But I guess EV dirtbikes are still pretty niche.
I'm curious how many Surron X/Light Bee/Segway x260/x160 are sold each year globally. That would be an interesting number for comparison, but I couldn't find it.
 

Bionicman

E powertrain proponent
Location
WA
I'm late to the game. But not expected until May 2023 - dont expect it until fall of 2023

I'll keep chasing my boy on his ktm e-5 on my sur ron
 

evh1

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Location
Montgomery, AL
I had to do it. My excuse is my kids, now all over 30, take over my 2 EXRs when they visit, so I gotta have another to keep up with them - remember that rationale when you got Jr his first PW? You had to get a bike too so you could stay with them. My wife just laughs and starts looking at the German auction lists for another dressage horse.
My date is May 2023.
 

Philip

Administrator
Staff member
Location
Ann Arbor, MI
I ordered mine on 12/16/2021. Order number PG83641. I think the delivery was in December 2022.

I also had an order in their shopping cart 2-3 days prior to that, and the delivery date was September 2022. But I could not pay because the website was freezing. So, I logged in later on 12/16/2021, re-started the order, and I ended up with two bikes in the shopping cart. I canceled one bike but turns out I canceled the earlier September bike, haha. I hope I will get one this year, even if it is December. I hope the deliveries are not too late, and I could try it out in Arizona next winter if I get lucky.
 

F451

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Location
Seattle
That's going to continue to become later and later. Guaranteed. No one is getting a bike before Christmas, I'd be willing to put money on it.
I'm going full on wishful thinking and imagining they are going to get bikes out to customers sooner then September and then increase production incrementally over time through working smarter not harder, or just plain magic. Either way, pretty much counting on my December '22 delivery to show up right around my birthday in September. The power of positive thinking. C'mon everybody, get with the program.

I'm so excited, its gonna be great.
 

Chadx

Active member
Location
Montana
I tend to plan for multiple scenarios since "hope and wishes" have historically let me down. Ha. As mentioned previously, I have two bikes on order. One estimated delivery of 9/24/2022 and one estimated delivery of 04/21/2023. My intent is to own one bike and have it in possession by June 01, 2023. I don't want to pay for a bike to sit hear unused all winter, but also fully expected delays. The question is, how long will the delays be? Two orders spread apart gives me options. If my original order is delayed from Sept 2022 to Feb 2023 or later, I'll stick with that order. If the first order will arrive earlier than Feb 2023, I'll evaluate the updated estimated arrival of the second bike. If it looks like that one will arrive sometime in June 2023 (July 01, 2023 at the latest), I'll cancel or sell my first order and go with the second order. Even if I lose the $100 deposit, it's worth $100 to me to get the bike in the timeframe I want rather than way earlier or way later, hence the double order. That and I'm also trying to convince a buddy or my wife to take one of the orders.

And then it's ride, ride, ride....until Stark announces the specs of the dual sport. If it's basically the same as the Varg but with head/tail/brake lights and a bigger (and heavier) battery with more trail riding range, I'll change to that as long as the weight isn't over 300lbs. Hoping for at least 10KwH battery. 13KwH would be better. Basically, keep adding battery capacity until they hit the 300lb mark. High speed road work eats range, but I'm not looking for a long range dual sport. I might use it around town or work commute rides, but not looking for a road bike. Looking for something that I can do long, remote mountain trail rides but with more range than the Varg.

I expect the Varg to do 30 miles if ridden on slow, family trail rides or slow single track trails (I get 30 - 35miles out of my Surron in those use cases). A Stark dual sport that gets 60miles in the same easy, slow speed trails (25mph or less) that would allow me to do electric on about 80% of my rides compared to 30 miles of range being good for about 25% of my rides. A bike with bigger battery would also give me the option to ride a bit harder (burning more battery) when the needed range is less.
 

Smerwin43

Member
Location
Nevada
I'm going full on wishful thinking
I’m definitely close to your boat haha, I like that we have both sides of the spectrum commenting on here because the doubt really does open up my mind to other possibilities. So many parts in motion non of us can know but logistically if there current factory is close to being finished and it produces 1200 a month and their next factory can produce way more then I am inclined to be on your side.

1-2 months gives some breathing room and I have to be honest I would wait years to get my hands on one of these. Hope some good content comes out of the april media and testing!
 

F451

Well-known member
Location
Seattle
I’m definitely close to your boat haha, I like that we have both sides of the spectrum commenting on here because the doubt really does open up my mind to other possibilities. So many parts in motion non of us can know but logistically if there current factory is close to being finished and it produces 1200 a month and their next factory can produce way more then I am inclined to be on your side.

1-2 months gives some breathing room and I have to be honest I would wait years to get my hands on one of these. Hope some good content comes out of the april media and testing!
You may have seen already, but Bryan announced yesterday that he is worldwide customer #1 and is going to Barcelona for the press thing this spring, so we should get some great feedback from him. Can't wait to hear what he has to say, both this spring, and when he gets his actual bike.

Link to his post: I am customer #1
.
 

Smerwin43

Member
Location
Nevada
You may have seen already, but Bryan announced yesterday that he is worldwide customer #1 and is going to Barcelona for the press thing this spring, so we should get some great feedback from him. Can't wait to hear what he has to say, both this spring, and when he gets his actual bike.

Link to his post: I am customer #1
.
Yep I saw it, I was excited to see some other guys talk, test and ride it but now I’m not excited to see anyones take more than Bryan. Such a sweet opportunity from the Stark guys. Seems like they love the sport just as much as us!
 

TCMB371

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Temecula, CA
For what its worth....

The order numbers are not sequential. I am the first customer and my 5 digit order number begins with 83.
 

synics

Well-known member
Location
New Jersey
I tend to plan for multiple scenarios since "hope and wishes" have historically let me down. Ha. As mentioned previously, I have two bikes on order. One estimated delivery of 9/24/2022 and one estimated delivery of 04/21/2023. My intent is to own one bike and have it in possession by June 01, 2023. I don't want to pay for a bike to sit hear unused all winter, but also fully expected delays. The question is, how long will the delays be? Two orders spread apart gives me options. If my original order is delayed from Sept 2022 to Feb 2023 or later, I'll stick with that order. If the first order will arrive earlier than Feb 2023, I'll evaluate the updated estimated arrival of the second bike. If it looks like that one will arrive sometime in June 2023 (July 01, 2023 at the latest), I'll cancel or sell my first order and go with the second order. Even if I lose the $100 deposit, it's worth $100 to me to get the bike in the timeframe I want rather than way earlier or way later, hence the double order. That and I'm also trying to convince a buddy or my wife to take one of the orders.

And then it's ride, ride, ride....until Stark announces the specs of the dual sport. If it's basically the same as the Varg but with head/tail/brake lights and a bigger (and heavier) battery with more trail riding range, I'll change to that as long as the weight isn't over 300lbs. Hoping for at least 10KwH battery. 13KwH would be better. Basically, keep adding battery capacity until they hit the 300lb mark. High speed road work eats range, but I'm not looking for a long range dual sport. I might use it around town or work commute rides, but not looking for a road bike. Looking for something that I can do long, remote mountain trail rides but with more range than the Varg.

I expect the Varg to do 30 miles if ridden on slow, family trail rides or slow single track trails (I get 30 - 35miles out of my Surron in those use cases). A Stark dual sport that gets 60miles in the same easy, slow speed trails (25mph or less) that would allow me to do electric on about 80% of my rides compared to 30 miles of range being good for about 25% of my rides. A bike with bigger battery would also give me the option to ride a bit harder (burning more battery) when the needed range is less.
Dude given that the alta's battery weighs 70 lb and it's 5.8 kilowatts, a 13 kilowatt battery would be absolutely massive. By the way I killed my battery from full charge to totally dead today three separate times and only got 42 total miles on my mxr. I rip it hard in sandy type trails. I can't imagine that the varg is going to be that much better... I mean let's be realistic it's only .2 more kilowatt.
 

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