Stark Battery Tech Thread

[Chaconne]

I do not believe.

It would be so simple for Donut to demonstrate their key claims. Instead they're trickling out evidence about their minor claims to keep us talking about them.

Prove the energy density or GTFO.

I am skeptical as well. But if these Donut guys do have something it would probably turn the battery market on its head. The Chinese and Asian companies are already speeding up their SS efforts I think. And it would be a feather in the European getting the tech there first cap. That said I am still in the "pigs may be able to fly" camp for now...

 

[Karinshi]

Anyone experiencing problems with charging? mine can't reach 3.3kw... it get stuck at 2.8kw and is not a problem with my electric set up, my friends varg does charge at 3.3kw at my house and my previous Varg was able aswell... im still on the old firmware version 1.6.0 the newest 1.7 doesnt appear on my bike yet

 

[Captblues]

It all depends on the state of charge when plugging. The lower % percentage, the faster the initial KWh

 

[Karinshi]

It all depends on the state of charge when plugging. The lower % percentage, the faster the initial KWh

i know that, but mine cant reach 3.3kw on any percentage

 

[Beagle]

Surprising but this could be Stark incoming 7 kW charger

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[Kurlon]

Sadly requires 400v three phase so... no joy for US folks.

 

[Bodo]

Surprising but this could be Stark incoming 7 kW charger

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It's listed in the Stark Future online shop already Fast 7kW charger

 

[Karinshi]

Surprising but this could be Stark incoming 7 kW charger

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its already on Stark website, little by little the brand is improving

 

[Beagle]

Catching up with 2 bit Da Vinci takes on the donut battery.

Test 3: not much going on

Test 4: the pack can charge at 5.7 C. Of course it's fast but pretty meaningless without any info about cyclability and capacity retention. Also weird obsession/paid content with Lucid Gravity when Xpeng cars already charge at 5C. So it's fast charging, slightly faster than current fastest charging production packs, without active cooling, but again what about cycle life?

Test 5: capacity dropped by 50% from about 12th cycle, which is terrible. Interesting bit is that, that was on the cell previously tested at 100 °C. This is actually intriguing and shows that there is no safety concern about overheating the cell. Yet it cannot work reliably at 100 °C so that's another overinflated claim by Donut. Could be the first hint of it really being something different, like a solid state cell (or hybrid cell with a polymer gel electrolyte). As others have said, I don't care what magic they put in it (actually I do), the most important thing is to get real proof about energy density and cyclability.

Next test for April's fool!

 

[Beagle]

Another great recap from two bit da Vinci

Bottom line Donut lab definitely only acquired the rights to some tech, and as some people have been pointing at for a couple of months, it's probably from a Spanish company named CT Coating that had a battery cell tested over a year ago... around 300 Wh/kg.

At the same time Verge supposedly just had their first "solid-state battery powered motorcycle" built a few days ago.

This is all very fishy, my favorite but is the claim that the battery absolutely does not use any lithium and only materials available and easily found all over the world to... maybe just not lithium ions... and final nail in the coffin "ok maybe we just did not understand the tech we bought and confused a crystal structure with the chemical composition of the material".

Whenever the solid-state industrial breakthrough happens, I feel pretty sure it won't be from Estonian clowns buying 1 year old tech from a Spanish company to build 10 motorcycles a month.

 

[Beagle]

Criminal complaint by the cofunder of Nordic Nano group (the company supposed to manufacture the battery) might be the first nail in the Donut coffin.

Whistleblower questions Donut Lab’s battery promises as Verge Motorcycles deliveries slip – thepack.news

thepack.news

"the promised battery properties, such as energy density and charging cycles, have not been achieved. The readiness for mass production has also been misrepresented. The company does not have the promised capacity for mass production and large production volumes of batteries.”

Confirmation that CT coatings are the battery inventor, it had been independently tested just below 300 Wh/kg (pretty good but also pretty far from the advertised 400 Wh/kg)... and apparently they've stopped the development of said battery.

 

[Karinshi]

Criminal complaint by the cofunder of Nordic Nano group (the company supposed to manufacture the battery) might be the first nail in the Donut coffin.

Whistleblower questions Donut Lab’s battery promises as Verge Motorcycles deliveries slip – thepack.news

thepack.news

"the promised battery properties, such as energy density and charging cycles, have not been achieved. The readiness for mass production has also been misrepresented. The company does not have the promised capacity for mass production and large production volumes of batteries.”

Confirmation that CT coatings are the battery inventor, it had been independently tested just below 300 Wh/kg (pretty good but also pretty far from the advertised 400 Wh/kg)... and apparently they've stopped the development of said battery.

Terrible company... And now Verge's reputation is going to be tarnished too, i think it will be the worst motorcycle brand in history jajajaja

 

[Erwin P]

Well don't forget Damon...