Throttle Stop

[MVC]

Can you put a throttle stop on a Varg?

I enjoy the higher HP for throttle response but peak power is way too much for me. I have been riding Varg on flow and super tech single track.

 

[AL_V]

Can you put a throttle stop on a Varg?

I enjoy the higher HP for throttle response but peak power is way too much for me. I have been riding Varg on flow and super tech single track.

That's an interesting idea.
And this wouldn't be necessary if they would give us the throttle curve control that they have been promising for 3 years.
Yes, it's still on their webpage.

 

[FYR]

Can you put a throttle stop on a Varg?

I enjoy the higher HP for throttle response but peak power is way too much for me. I have been riding Varg on flow and super tech single track.

I think there's a lot of us on here that would like to customize throttle input to better suit our riding style. And as mentioned, Stark Future has been saying that the option for creating custom power curves is coming. Hopefully Stark still has that promise on their "to-do" list.

 

[MVC]

I will keep my fingers crossed Stark Future creates power curve. My Transition Relay you can adjust power curve in the App. It's easy and very useful.

 

[UKLee]

I will keep my fingers crossed Stark Future creates power curve. My Transition Relay you can adjust power curve in the App. It's easy and very useful.

Keep your fingers crossed!!! We were promised this and many other things, still loads of power units / Batteries/ VCU's etc going down and getting replaced with often nothing better. When the warranty runs out we are going to be getting some massive bills like £3100 for a power train £2700 for a battery and many other parts stark will tell us the problem could be.
Now it the time for all us owners to get together and make a BIG fuss about all these issues and unkept promises whilst they are telling everyone how good the new stark is going to be or we will end up being left in the gutter!

 

[Beagle]

Keep your fingers crossed!!! We were promised this and many other things, still loads of power units / Batteries/ VCU's etc going down and getting replaced with often nothing better. When the warranty runs out we are going to be getting some massive bills like £3100 for a power train £2700 for a battery and many other parts stark will tell us the problem could be.
Now it the time for all us owners to get together and make a BIG fuss about all these issues and unkept promises whilst they are telling everyone how good the new stark is going to be or we will end up being left in the gutter!

IMHO you should stop crying wolf, while entirely appropriate for a "varg" it's also plainly counterproductive.

1. No one knows if parts failures after 2 years will be a thing
2. No one knows how Stark would handle such supposed failures outside of warranty

Are EV batteries likely to fail after 2 years, have you seen that in other electric motorcycles?

Stark do have issues and they are honoring the 2 years warranty very efficiently from all reports.

The doomsday future you describe might happen but my point is you cannot preemptively accuse them of something that doesn't exist.
If you had anything concrete and tangible showing this scenario is likely then that would be a different question.

 

[Theo]

IMHO you should stop crying wolf, while entirely appropriate for a "varg" it's also plainly counterproductive.

Ahah I like the pun.

1. No one knows if parts failures after 2 years will be a thing
2. No one knows how Stark would handle such supposed failures outside of warranty

Are EV batteries likely to fail after 2 years, have you seen that in other electric motorcycles?

Stark do have issues and they are honoring the 2 years warranty very efficiently from all reports.

The doomsday future you describe might happen but my point is you cannot preemptively accuse them of something that doesn't exist.
If you had anything concrete and tangible showing this scenario is likely then that would be a different question.

I agree.

 

[UKLee]

"1. No one knows if parts failures after 2 years will be a thing." There is every chance they will Just look on this forum the amount of problems I have not put all mine on here many stark owners do not even post on the internet, If they are replacing faulty parts with the same again it is going to be a thing. The time to act is now no point moaning after the warranty is up.

"2. No one knows how Stark would handle such supposed failures outside of warranty" Already many broken promises so not going to do us any favours are they? They replaced my drivetrain with another gen1 with a thicker cover which is now getting noisy and has milky oil even though I always blank off the breather pipe when washing it but they keep fobbing me off, I asked them does this new drivetrain have 2 years warranty from when it was fitted they said no 2 years from when the bike was new. This is all geared to sell us parts, they will be rubbing there hands together ready for the time warranty's run out.
They clearly know the gen 1 has issues or they would not have made the gen 2, they send out gen 1 out under warranty in the hope it lasts before the end of the warranty.

 

[rayivers]

unkept promises whilst they are telling everyone how good the new stark is going to be

+10 ! I ordered 3 Vargs starting in 2021, but have not gotten one due to the user-adjustable-throttle-maps vaporware. Having lived with someone else's idea of the 'proper' throttle mapping - probably the legal dept. - for ten years now, I'm not about to do it again. Just about every issue I've read here regarding Varg throttle response could be easily solved with a custom map, and the OEM presets will surely remain for those who like them as-is.

 

[Theo]

The time to act is now no point moaning after the warranty is up.

You can't demand that a company replaces a part only because you suspect that it's going to fail.
So far they have been handling problems under warranty with a policy which is the most expensive for them, so personally I don't suspect that they will treat us badly after the warranty will have expired.

 

[UKLee]

"So far they have been handling problems under warranty with a policy which is the most expensive for them"

Umm interesting, you could put it another way, We are unpaid real world testers who help diagnose the problems and fit the replacment parts for free all whilst soaking up the warranty period.

Development is expensive but what we are doing makes it a lot cheaper.

 

[Theo]

"So far they have been handling problems under warranty with a policy which is the most expensive for them"

Umm interesting, you could put it another way, We are unpaid real world testers who help diagnose the problems and fit the replacment parts for free all whilst soaking up the warranty period.

Development is expensive but what we are doing makes it a lot cheaper.

It's not the first time that I hear something like this, for example an engineering professor once mentioned that some companies skip the last quality control step and just readily replace the product in case it malfunctions, because they have assessed that overall they save money in that way and because in that way customers will think that yes there has been a problem but the company has an awesome customer support.
I think that somehow we are part of the research and development of any product we buy including the Varg and that R&D never stops, not even after 10 years since a model has been released; the problem is understanding how much that is acceptable. I guess that they tried making those bikes reliable but that, once they have started mass producing Vargs, some unexpected things happened and I'm not surprised because it's their first model. I doubt they had the possibility to produce 1000 bikes, test them 3 years and then decide whether they were reliable and don't forget that in the EV world in 3 years things will be obsolete anyways. The difference between intentionally relying too much on customers for R&D or not is that in case it's unintentional, like I think, it doesn't show a company policy which exploits the customer like you think they are going to do or are already doing.
From what you have written, you have been less lucky than me with your Varg and I understand that you are angry and less optimistic.
As far as I can state from my experience and from the typical others' experiences, they have produced a bike which is more enjoyable than a gas bike also because it takes less maintenance, which has not been your case, but it seems to me that your experience is not the typical one.

 

[Chaconne]

"So far they have been handling problems under warranty with a policy which is the most expensive for them"

Umm interesting, you could put it another way, We are unpaid real world testers who help diagnose the problems and fit the replacment parts for free all whilst soaking up the warranty period.

Development is expensive but what we are doing makes it a lot cheaper.

I don't think this is all that unusual for early adopters in almost any market. Proper development takes customer feedback from real owners, when it is the first go around the customer base is new and developing so that will take time. Plus, the process of just bringing a new product to market is dealing with unexpected limitations in my experience at least.

I have been very happy with my bike so far and I would rather have one in hand than wait another year or two for everything to be wrung out.