Varg MX 1.2

[Chaconne]

Haha. Don’t get your undies in a bunch. Let’s not go down that rabbit hole. This was not about politics! Just stark doesn’t mention the added tariffs fee till you pay that’s all. They need to be up front with their pricing with tariff included.

Since Stark is apparently such a national security risk we should all be happy paying more taxes to the government via executive order... When Walmart tried to be transparent about pricing including tariffs they got a lashing from the executive branch tax collectors...

 

[Beagle]

Haha. Don’t get your undies in a bunch. Let’s not go down that rabbit hole. This was not about politics! Just stark doesn’t mention the added tariffs fee till you pay that’s all. They need to be up front with their pricing with tariff included.

Well, it's a mess, truth is it's hard to know how much a dirt bike costs, only Yamahas and Stark clearly indicate the tariff surcharge.

Other OEMs explicitly write that MSRP on their website is only indicative, does not include taxes nor tariff surcharge, and that only dealer quote can give you the exact price.

 

[Chaconne]

Well, it's a mess, truth is it's hard to know how much a dirt bike costs, only Yamahas and Stark clearly indicate the tariff surcharge.

Other OEMs explicitly write that MSRP on their website is only indicative, does not include taxes nor tariff surcharge, and that only dealer quote can give you the exact price.

The executive branch is running out-of-control here. The power of the executive to levy tariffs was supposed to be limited to National Security. Its just a way to tax without admitting its a tax which is current administration's MO.

People are just plain brain dead. The government here is actually bragging about the revenue it is collecting and some of the folks getting taxed support the tariffs taxes --the administration laughs. If the government called it a tax (which it is) and government coffers were filling with cash (like they are) there would be riots.

 

[Karinshi]

Thinking about battery capacity improvement, I took a look at what happened with 21700-type batteries (as used in the Varg). Following examples are from leading supplier Molicel with their release year, capacity and energy density.

2021: P42B 4.2 Ah, 226 Wh/kg
2023: P45B 4.5, 242 Wh/kg
2024 P50B 5.0 Ah, 260 Wh/kg
2025: P60B 6.0 Ah (energy density not officially announced, likely at least 290 Wh/kg)

Max discharge rate (think max power available) and max charge rate (shorter charging times) keep increasing as well.
For instance P60B can be fully charged at 5 C in 13 min

Here is what the Varg battery capacity is (or would be) with 400 of these various cells:
2021 P42B: 6.0 kWh (used in 2022 Varg prototype)
2023 P45B: 6.5 kWh (used in 2023 Varg MX)
2024 P50B: 7.2 kWh (similar cells used in 2025 Varg EX and MX 1.2 from unspecified supplier)
2025 P60B: 8.6 kWh (not yet in production)

That's 43% capacity increase in 4 years, about 10% per year.

That's no pie in the sky solid state batteries everyone is pouring millions in that may or may not become a commercial reality in the next 10 years, that's actual improvement with current technology.

TLDR: current trend suggests doubling battery capacity (therefore range) about every 10 years.

nice maths and information my friend

i would love to have double range on my varg obviously jajaja if stark came with a battery that doubles the range i would buy it i dont care if its cost 4.000 euros jajaja

 

[Johnny Depp]

In the United States, subsidies and incentives for electric motorcycles can be found at the federal, state, and local levels. Here's a breakdown of the key information:
Federal incentives

• Expired Tax Credit (Inflation Reduction Act): The federal electric motorcycle tax credit that previously offered up to $7,500 has expired.
• Alternative Fuel Refueling Property Tax Credit: Installing a home EV charger may qualify you for a federal tax credit covering 30% of costs, up to $1,000.

State incentives

• California: Offers several rebates, including $750 through the Clean Vehicle Rebate Project (CVRP), and additional programs in the San Joaquin Valley ($1,000) and Monterey Bay ($900).
• Illinois: Provides a $1,500 rebate for new electric motorcycle purchases made after July 1, 2022, through the Illinois Environmental Protection Agency (IEPA).
• Pennsylvania: Offers a $500 tax credit for electric motorcycles.
• Texas: Austin Energy offers an E-Ride Rebate of up to $600 for individuals and up to $800 for fleets, with an enhanced rebate available for Customer Assistance Program participants. Denton also offers a $300 rebate.

Other potential incentives

• Utility Companies: Some, like Austin Energy, offer rebates for electric motorcycles.
• Dealerships: Some dealerships or manufacturers may offer their own incentives.
• Proposed Federal E-Bike Act: This proposed act includes a potential consumer tax credit for e-bikes.

Important notes

• Eligibility Requirements: All programs have specific criteria, including vehicle type, purchase date, and application deadlines.
• Application Process: Most government incentives require applying for a rebate or tax credit after purchasing.
• Information Sources: The Department of Energy's Alternative Fuels Data Center (AFDC) Alternative Fuels Data Center: Electric Vehicle (EV) and Fuel Cell Electric Vehicle (FCEV) Tax Credit and the IRS website Credits for new clean vehicles purchased in 2023 or after | Internal Revenue Service are helpful resources.

Remember to verify the most up-to-date program details and eligibility requirements from official sources before making any purchase decisions.

 

[Chaconne]

In the United States, subsidies and incentives for electric motorcycles can be found at the federal, state, and local levels. Here's a breakdown of the key information:
Federal incentives

• Expired Tax Credit (Inflation Reduction Act): The federal electric motorcycle tax credit that previously offered up to $7,500 has expired.
• Alternative Fuel Refueling Property Tax Credit: Installing a home EV charger may qualify you for a federal tax credit covering 30% of costs, up to $1,000.

State incentives

• California: Offers several rebates, including $750 through the Clean Vehicle Rebate Project (CVRP), and additional programs in the San Joaquin Valley ($1,000) and Monterey Bay ($900).
• Illinois: Provides a $1,500 rebate for new electric motorcycle purchases made after July 1, 2022, through the Illinois Environmental Protection Agency (IEPA).
• Pennsylvania: Offers a $500 tax credit for electric motorcycles.
• Texas: Austin Energy offers an E-Ride Rebate of up to $600 for individuals and up to $800 for fleets, with an enhanced rebate available for Customer Assistance Program participants. Denton also offers a $300 rebate.

Other potential incentives

• Utility Companies: Some, like Austin Energy, offer rebates for electric motorcycles.
• Dealerships: Some dealerships or manufacturers may offer their own incentives.
• Proposed Federal E-Bike Act: This proposed act includes a potential consumer tax credit for e-bikes.

Important notes

• Eligibility Requirements: All programs have specific criteria, including vehicle type, purchase date, and application deadlines.
• Application Process: Most government incentives require applying for a rebate or tax credit after purchasing.
• Information Sources: The Department of Energy's Alternative Fuels Data Center (AFDC) Alternative Fuels Data Center: Electric Vehicle (EV) and Fuel Cell Electric Vehicle (FCEV) Tax Credit and the IRS website Credits for new clean vehicles purchased in 2023 or after | Internal Revenue Service are helpful resources.

Remember to verify the most up-to-date program details and eligibility requirements from official sources before making any purchase decisions.

I should have looked into fed electric motorcycle tax credit. I got substantial credit on my solar panel and power station. I missed the MC credit though.

 

[Johnny Depp]

I should have looked into fed electric motorcycle tax credit. I got substantial credit on my solar panel and power station. I missed the MC credit though.

I don't know if it would have worked without a registration?

 

[markhamr]

It was not just hot starting with the earlier generations. Until 2006 they couldn't even get compression release right. And they were bears to start both hot & cold. And the carbs were total hunks of shit for years and years and years and years.

My 2015 WR450F with electric start and FI is not easy starting bike and the weak E-start is only so good. You might end up having to kick the bitch. Do I and did I love my Yams? Yes. But those bitches were never easy bikes and they had problems for multiple generations. Overall they are probably the best 4Ts you can buy too.

If my living situation was different I would probably looking at an FX. I am not discounting your problems and issues with Stark. Just saying they ain't that bad by comparison.

There are easy fixes for those bfp problems
Most dealers that race should already have them sorted for you,
if the know what they are doing.
I have only ever had 1 generic problem with a gas bike
in 45 years. A replacement part was installed,
a few weeks later a upgraded part was supplied eliminating the problem. .
I even got to speak to a real human on the phone at r and d husqvarna,
along with personnel communication about the problem and what they where doing to resolve it.
Unlike the current ev manufacture from spain.
I think stark has a fairly good bike on its hands.
Unfortunately the company is a complete letdown.

And here we are again comparing 20 year old japanese bikes to a stark.
Doesn't say much for stark.