Stark Battery Tech Thread

I'm more thinking smaller updates. Apart from the plug all the outer dimensions of 1.0 and 1.2 are the same. Doesn't seem like a huge amount of trouble to keep that the same in upgraded bikes.

This method of new model every year depreciates value fast, making people less likely to just buy the thing when the model is a year old. Because it will be strongly outdated and no longer upgradeable after a few months.
Also imagine having 8 iterations in 10 years for wich you all mandotory need to sell spares in the EU for the first 10 years. Doesn't sound economical.

Beta for example did improve their engines a lott, but a 2013 engine fits in a 2026.
Honda updates their bikes once a century, not every year.
I get Beagle point and its true... But I don't think manufacturing a new battery with practically the same format would be a problem... they could sell it separately and whoever wants it can buy it for their Varg, both for the current one and for the future improved model... Seeing Stark's creative and daring style, it's quite possible they might consider that a good idea
 
I get Beagle point and its true... But I don't think manufacturing a new battery with practically the same format would be a problem... they could sell it separately and whoever wants it can buy it for their Varg, both for the current one and for the future improved model... Seeing Stark's creative and daring style, it's quite possible they might consider that a good idea
A battery with the new 26120 cells cannot have the same format of the 100s4p 21700 battery. The existing packaging space will not accept 2x120mm instead of 2x70mm wide, and given it must be a multiple of 100 cells, it would then probably only be 1p which likely results in a lot less than 7.2kWh.

The 120mm cells will likely only be used on the street and adventure bikes (and possibly later other Eicher group bikes), which have a frame wide enough to accept 2x120mm wide instead of the Varg's 2x70mm wide.
 
A battery with the new 26120 cells cannot have the same format of the 100s4p 21700 battery. The existing packaging space will not accept 2x120mm instead of 2x70mm wide, and given it must be a multiple of 100 cells, it would then probably only be 1p which likely results in a lot less than 7.2kWh.

The 120mm cells will likely only be used on the street and adventure bikes (and possibly later other Eicher group bikes), which have a frame wide enough to accept 2x120mm wide instead of the Varg's 2x70mm wide.
I think the point is that 26120 cells more or less fit with current case dimensions with one row instead of two, which is pretty much the point.

Then yes probably 2 rows for adventure bikes, which would still be way better than... '4 rows with 21700! With 4 rows you'd get 2 rows not connected on any side to the case, they'd never get air cooled.

Indeed change from Varg 1.0 to 1.2 is modest, hence why it's 1.2 instead of 2.0.
But I believe whenever they'll upgrade the battery they'll keep their upgraded batteries as close as possible for the entire motorcycle range, that is using same individual cells for all models (like MX1.2, EX and SM), likely in different packs for different applications like 9 kWh Varg and 14-18 kWh adventure bike and so on. It simplifies logistics so much.

It would be super cool from Stark to offer the possibility to upgrade old bikes with new battery (like when they'll switch from 21700 to 26120) but it might not be worth it for them.
My hope is more that if the market grows sufficiently, aftermarket will develop and independent actors will step in to offer their own battery upgrades, refurbishing, conversions and so on. The kind of stuff you can currently do for some electric cars, and of course the huge Surron upgrades aftermarket.
 
But the 1.0 and 1.2 battery's are not interchangable due to the connectors. How stupid is that. Double logistics and "unsatisfied" customers who now cannot spend money on upgrades and are skeptical about buying a 1 year old model.
I just see missed opportunitys here.

Sure if they change an entire frame for the new battery it's something else. But these modest upgrades should be interchangable.
 
But the 1.0 and 1.2 battery's are not interchangable due to the connectors. How stupid is that. Double logistics and "unsatisfied" customers who now cannot spend money on upgrades and are skeptical about buying a 1 year old model.
I just see missed opportunitys here.

Sure if they change an entire frame for the new battery it's something else. But these modest upgrades should be interchangable.
Oh I know it's raging.
My guess (and it's just that) is that they had sound reasons to change the connector and that given the choice to solve problems by updating the connector design or sticking to the old design to satisfy first customers (and possibly running into more maintenance issues later on), they chose the first path.
But maybe they could have provided some "conversion" adapter?

It goes further than this, like apparently it's difficult to implement the Varg1.2 software on the 1.0 bike. Which is equally raging and damaging to the brand. It could be related purely to the phone but it could easily be more complex than that. Sometimes new solutions might not be compatible with previous versions... we all know that with software not supported on older systems, it's annoying... but that's just the way it is, backwards compatibility is not always possible, especially when systems evolve fast.

No one will go to a car dealership asking them to swap the battery pack for the more recent version, the tech will keep improving but you're pretty much stuck with what you bought... until you change your car.
I know it COULD be simpler with motorcycles, it probably SHOULD, I doubt it WILL.
 
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