Kayo eC2

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Looks like Kayo is throwing it's electric hat in the ring at EICMA. Doesn't look like the most sophisticated motor (air cooled), battery or controller, but happy to see another company with a semi-serious full-size offering. Supermoto version too.

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I wouldn't expect much... been out a year ish, and I believe 2600€

Kove also brought an eMX.

...and there were pictures of a temu Varg as well.
 

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I wouldn't expect much... been out a year ish, and I believe 2600€

Kove also brought an eMX.

...and there were pictures of a temu Varg as well.

I would say the same for the Hero eBike.
They gave absolutely no information about it.

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It's amazing how many new E and gas off-road bikes were shown at EICMA, but you can not buy or even read about 90% of them.
 
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I would say the same for the Hero eBike.
They gave absolutely no information about it.

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It's amazing how many new E and gas off-road bikes were shown at EICMA, but you can not buy or even read about 90% of them.
Yup, just, "Here it is. Feel free to speculate on specs or timeline, cuz we ain't telling you shit!" Never understood this strategy. You know what worked? Stark providing intimate detail from Day 1. Built the expectation and met it in reality/production.
 

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It's amazing how many new E and gas off-road bikes were shown at EICMA, but you can not buy or even read about 90% of them.
EICMA is a trade show, so alot of what you'll see are concepts/preproduction. Most of these smaller companies are looking for partnership in one way or another, be it importing, manufacturing etc. The bikes are there to get investors in the door.
 

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That VIDA model seems like a 7/8 in size, like the DUST... interesting bike, hopefully they find investors and the electric world grows
 

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Build your own on your favorite bike/frame. I like the 2014-2022 KTM 250SXF, I have built new and older Honda CRF's, Yamaha YZ250F and 450F 2014 and newer. I am 80 years old and here is mine at The World Vet Nationals, with me on it. I can give you a list of the parts and power, if you want them. Or on this forum:


I was racing this at 72V nominal 300A


 

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The more I look at the current market offerings I have come to my own conclusion no one is building what I want, so I built my own using the Don Cox formula.

On a positive note it is awesome we have all these new options, Sur Ron started a whole category, reasonable cost, ever increasing power, quick swap batteries are all great. Now there are some really good 3/4 or 7/8 size bikes, also good.

But the only full size offering is the Stark. It’s successful and it’s a nice bike but I think it misses the mark, it’s heavy and you can’t quick swap the battery. Also the amount of power is impressive but is it usable?

I think the market needs a full size offering with traditional geometry, with a frame design that’s bullet proof (pick any modern chassis). Make it possible to quick swap batteries, and have short range (low weight) batteries and long range (higher weight) batteries where the rider can choose what option they need. Power 40-50 KW.

Sell it for $6,500 to $7,000 - keep costs down by using Japanese brand wheels, suspension etc - just use what works and what is readily available. Relatively small changes to the existing Japanese frames could make all this work.

Yamaha should just hire Don and then do what he says, it’s crazy Don is friends with Kenny Roberts, maybe Kenny can twist Yamaha’s arm to just do it.

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The more I look at the current market offerings I have come to my own conclusion no one is building what I want, so I built my own using the Don Cox formula.

On a positive note it is awesome we have all these new options, Sur Ron started a whole category, reasonable cost, ever increasing power, quick swap batteries are all great. Now there are some really good 3/4 or 7/8 size bikes, also good.

But the only full size offering is the Stark. It’s successful and it’s a nice bike but I think it misses the mark, it’s heavy and you can’t quick swap the battery. Also the amount of power is impressive but is it usable?

I think the market needs a full size offering with traditional geometry, with a frame design that’s bullet proof (pick any modern chassis). Make it possible to quick swap batteries, and have short range (low weight) batteries and long range (higher weight) batteries where the rider can choose what option they need. Power 40-50 KW.

Sell it for $6,500 to $7,000 - keep costs down by using Japanese brand wheels, suspension etc - just use what works and what is readily available. Relatively small changes to the existing Japanese frames could make all this work.

Yamaha should just hire Don and then do what he says, it’s crazy Don is friends with Kenny Roberts, maybe Kenny can twist Yamaha’s arm to just do it.
The only real reason Stark is currently successful is the headline act... 80hp. If it had come out with say 50hp, people would have said "good fit and finish" then carried on with their lives and another start up would be struggling.

It's not going to be possible for the the big players to sell emotos at 6-7k. You'll be looking at 9-10k, they don't have the production lines. The set up cost is passed on to consumers.
That said look at Yamaha's partnership with Electric Motion, a cheaper option than going it alone. Unlike most other manufacturers though, Yamaha already does something similar, as most of its engines actually come from Minarelli.
Can't imagine Honda letting that one fly...
 
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