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100% agree that dealership order fulfillment should be based on the date those orders were made. All orders should be fulfilled in the order they were made.

Yeah, realistically it's the "includes" part that is important. They should probably have even said the first day. I ordered my first one on the first day Dec. 14 early morning when the announcement was first made, and mine is still scheduled for Sept. 2023. If I recall correctly, about 1/4 of...

When they first announced that, they said that preorders can still be transferred to any dealership. As long as they still have allocation, you can probably still do so. You'd have to figure out impacts to cost, of course. Some had checked and transferring upped the price to the current price...

Agreed. I'm hoping dates do not move sooner for selfish reason (outlined above) but would be happy for all the rest of you wanting your orders ASAP. Another silver lining will be no longer having to wade through the monotonous "When are you deliverying?" responses to every single update and...

That duration delay seems like the bump that all of us got a year ago. Had you checked your status since that bump? There have not been any big recent moves. And, what was your order date and did you order through the website or a dealership? Edit: Something seems fishy there. If you go order...

Stark news letter went out today. First bikes have shipped today 4/25. I just looked and both my orders slid by only 10 days, which I'm fine with since the "first bike delivered" date moved by almost a month. That is very little impact. Ordered: Dec 14, 2021. Estimated delivery: Sept 30, 2023...

I've been thinking through my options as well. Have had a Surron LBX for years now (had two, but sold one last year). Have Varg coming (ordered morning of first day) and plan to get it, but have been thinking long and hard about replacing the Surron LBX with a Surron Ultra Bee. Even though I've...

I like that Cake styles things a bit different. I come and go on the styling, but as more and more bikes are coming out it's nice to see some quirky, different looking brands/models. Why make a carbon copy of every other bike? Some will appreciate something that looks different than everything...

Will note that the batter spec is 40Ah, not 50Ah (shows it on the side of the bike and in the specs) 72v x 40Ah = 2,880Wh (they round it to 2,9kWh). I love the color and warming up to the looks on this one. Too bad it was a limited edition and is sold out. I like that they offered nice specs...

I saw the newsletter, too. To clarify, the newsletter was not a notification of the first delivery, which has not yet taken place. It simply noted that Brian is the first customer (read: first order) and gave more background on that and the trip. This was not a "first delivery has been made"...

Orders opened 12/14/2021 to general public.

Was this a website order or a dealer order? And how were you notified (dealer, email, or reviewed your order on the website)? Had the estimated delivery date on your order moved when most others moved towards the end of last year? I placed one of my orders on Dec. 14 first thing as the...

Wait, it's not March 31 yet. Did Vargmas come early?

Yes, saw the Newsletter. That contradicts the other rumor that was spreading where someone reported that Start told their dealership they would not be getting dealership bikes until 2024 and preorders in 20254 or 2025. Guess the newsletter puts a damper on that rumor, or there were other factors...

@TCMB371 I like that you are getting your bike way earlier so you can wring it's neck and give us some good feedback/ride reports. And give feedback to Stark, I assume, so they can make refinements as needed, which will be good for all of us down the line. You are the only one I've heard of...

Even though there is an enduro rear wheel/tire and kickstand option, it seems Stark is not going to the trouble and expense of offering enduro suspension. The idea of buying one or two weight ranges lower than ones weight is the simple, and only, option currently to avoid horribly stiff spring...

I said it was a mistake (to mix the 4 stroke and 2 strokes in the same class)...I never said anything about "honest". Ha. No doubt there were many different agendas with that decision just like there will be with electric. I'd simply prefer electric was in it's own class rather than mixed in...

Dealerships and users on this forum have mentioned that dealerships will get bikes well before our individual pre-orders are fulfilled. As for customization, even the dealership orders can be customized up until the order is locked right before it goes into production. Some dealership reported...

I'll add my take on this which leans towards "I don't care much if there is low interest from OEMs to make electric dirtbikes". Ha. Well, I do from the sense that OEMs might spur further advancements/innovations with their R&D budgets. But really, it's not going to be motorcycle companies that...

That could easily occur even if there were two classes if, as I suggested, the two classes run in the same races until there are enough riders for the classes to have their own separate races. And even if separare races, lap times would also give that data (meanimg, which class has the faster...