Owner's Review long term stark

[markhamr]

back to backed the stark with the huqvarna 450
no competition left the future
way in the past
I think my impressions are correct
stark is too heavy and dog slow set at the FIM limit
quote(would be better suited for slower cross country riders)

 

[markhamr]

So i read the rules wrong
Happens when you read s%&t on the net
evidently the settings are 60hp for mx1
40hp for mx2
I will keep riding both bikes
I am not having any trouble jumping between the 2
The phone is telling me i have to subscribe to put the bike
in race mode another problem I do not need
Junk the contingency programme and add this as standard
or maybe just junk the bike and ride the 450
i just turned it on it is working so like
Frustrating

 

[markhamr]

i rode the bike stark in the mx1 race setting
it felt like the 60 hp setting in mode but doughy
more like 55 or less real like 48 with a big torque hit
like it had lost a bit especially off the bottom
id like someone to dyno test one in this setting
preferably on a dynojet

 

[markhamr]

Changed the gearing to a 14 front bike seems way better.

 

[markhamr]

full test day
14 front sprocket
like night and day way better
rolls better economy too
good drive

 

[Johnny Depp]

full test day
14 front sprocket
like night and day way better
rolls better economy too
good drive

Just installed my 15, it is super duper tight. Testing tomorrow. Glad to hear it worked out for you, did you zero out the Regen?

 

[markhamr]

I run 30 on the regen
I think i will try less again
20
I burnt the brakes last time i ran it at 0
That gearing seems optimum for me.
I will twiddle the suspension a bit
Had some wind up in the rear,
so it is obviously hooking up pretty well.
But from here i think its more rider improvements the bikes
pretty much there.
Billys logging trail is rough rutted water bars steep
sand and clay sections.
The logging trucks piggyback the frame up there
it is too tight for them loaded(switchbacks) they go out the long way
on the other side .
Thanks for the help
I am a bit over people just bleating about how fast the bike is.
I prefer to work at actually making the bike fast .

 

[Johnny Depp]

Tried the 15 with the 42 (2.80 ratio) and it's ridiculous. The throttle is a wheelie meter. Wheelspin is greatly reduced. 1/4 of throttle does what 1/2 used to, and it's easier to get the front light. Corner exits have so much power and drive and with the light front end it's better in ruts, kinda steering around the rear tire. The day was cut short so I didn't get a real feel for range, the red rear tube finally developed a slow leak at 15 hours, and we had a rider go down and the track was closed for a good while. The forks still have a harsh middle on slap flat landings, compression out of adjustment and oil level down 150cc on each side, you can hear the front fender reverberate on those, and the fork doesn't use all the stroke. Still impressed with the Pirelli's, no real wear so I am going to keep the stock tires on.

 

[Chaconne]

Tried the 15 with the 42 (2.80 ratio) and it's ridiculous. The throttle is a wheelie meter. Wheelspin is greatly reduced. 1/4 of throttle does what 1/2 used to, and it's easier to get the front light. Corner exits have so much power and drive and with the light front end it's better in ruts, kinda steering around the rear tire. The day was cut short so I didn't get a real feel for range, the red rear tube finally developed a slow leak at 15 hours, and we had a rider go down and the track was closed for a good while. The forks still have a harsh middle on slap flat landings, compression out of adjustment and oil level down 150cc on each side, you can hear the front fender reverberate on those, and the fork doesn't use all the stroke. Still impressed with the Pirelli's, no real wear so I am going to keep the stock tires on.

Haha you are a young buck again!!!

Agree on the Pirellis, they are remarkably good. For my riding I am going to use a more gummy like the IRC jx8 gek when the Pirellis are worn out, but it is worthwhile to wear through the Scorpions in my opinion --they are pretty good in most terrain deep mud they struggle but the cornering in mud is impressive (great side bite). The Scorpions also do ok with lower pressures but are probably better for moto pressures.

The stock red tubes on the other hand well they are not so good, even the ones in my new Varg failed within a few rides.

 

[Johnny Depp]

Haha you are a young buck again!!!

Agree on the Pirellis, they are remarkably good. For my riding I am going to use a more gummy like the IRC jx8 gek when the Pirellis are worn out, but it is worthwhile to wear through the Scorpions in my opinion --they are pretty good in most terrain deep mud they struggle but the cornering in mud is impressive (great side bite). The Scorpions also do ok with lower pressures but are probably better for moto pressures.

The stock red tubes on the other hand well they are not so good, even the ones in my new Varg failed within a few rides.

The rear tire surprises me. I have run 10 psi front and back and it's good, it's a band aid for the harsh suspension. With the taller gearing it was crazy how much it hooked up, I also have the axle almost all the way back, even on the hard packed kids and GP tracks it was shocking how it would lift the front easily, when that much throttle used to induce wheelspin (which you would hear and then back off). Almost any tire works on a prepped track (ours was at an all time great yesterday), we have clay and it forms perfect waves of dirt (rut berms) pushed up 12-16" out of the mild 8-10" ruts formed perfectly by the early morning fast guys. Once you get your wheel into whichever rut you choose it's just dial in enough power to keep the bike planted. Amazing stuff. As long as you don't go high it won't blow out, they firm up as they dry, very different than a sandy berm and lots of slot car fun. I am giving a strong recommendation on really tall gearing for track and trails, it's cheap to try and most will love it.

 

[Chaconne]

The rear tire surprises me. I have run 10 psi front and back and it's good, it's a band aid for the harsh suspension. With the taller gearing it was crazy how much it hooked up, I also have the axle almost all the way back, even on the hard packed kids and GP tracks it was shocking how it would lift the front easily, when that much throttle used to induce wheelspin (which you would hear and then back off). Almost any tire works on a prepped track (ours was at an all time great yesterday), we have clay and it forms perfect waves of dirt (rut berms) pushed up 12-16" out of the mild 8-10" ruts formed perfectly by the early morning fast guys. Once you get your wheel into whichever rut you choose it's just dial in enough power to keep the bike planted. Amazing stuff. As long as you don't go high it won't blow out, they firm up as they dry, very different than a sandy berm and lots of slot car fun. I am giving a strong recommendation on really tall gearing for track and trails, it's cheap to try and most will love it.

Cool. Oh BTW next time I talk to redRider144 I will tell you said he is still a jackass!!

 

[markhamr]

Hell the thing was way good on a 14
I ride mx
I wasnt going to try a 15 but its like 27 bucks here
ridiculous but i had a 25 percent increase in range from a 13 to a 14
front sprocket which makes the bike viable now.
Just needs a minor suspension adjustment
for the increase in speed.
i ride high speed a lot so tire pressure is 12 1/2 I'm going to increase it
motocross action says remove some oil to decrees harshness
makes sense.
I can blow through most of it
but sometimes the short braking bumps r sh&t
I might have a go at these too

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I can easily fix any suspension issues .

 

[markhamr]

\A aftermarket battery would be killer

 

[markhamr]

Let me know if you run into any binding issues or guide problems with the 15 please.

 

[markhamr]

My front tube lasted 40 metres

 

[synics]

First off congratulations to stark for getting a bike out there
now for the review
The delivery process from stark is diabolical
The phone and fuzzy logic is annoying at best
The tubes are nothing but a joke
The brakes are not up to the job (blued the discs first high speed run on the farmgate section )
stark varg 1 54 .7 surron ultra bee 1 57.3
The bike is 10kgs too heavy at least (my main problem with the bike)
The chassis feels like i am riding a 20 year old bike (weight again)
The bike is unusable for mx recharging between practice and races
It does not get through whoops or over big jumps that well either
Needs a swappable battery
The stark has all the advantages of being electric
I love hand operated back brakes
Noise: lack of it
Low maintenance
Pretty much just jump on and ride it (if it doesn't have a flat tyre or stop when there's a software issue)
All in all I think this bike would be better suited to slower cross country type riding
but i wouldn't want to have to pick it up when tired

I have to completely disagree with you when it comes to the brakes. You have gen 1 or Gen 2? Brembo brakes on mine stop that thing on a dime no problem with an easy one finger pull. You need to rebleed yours if you have the brembos, And if you do and you have re-bled them and you're still not getting stopping power, then you may have gotten some kind of oil-based liquid on your brake pads. Get sintered pads.

Also you mentioned it doesn't go through whoops well? Dude are you crazy!?!? This bike goes through whoops better than any bike I've ever ridden in my life, and I've ridden a lot of bikes. I'm 6' 1" and 185lbs with the medium suspension.

Also one of my other bikes is a 22 450 SXF, And when you add all the liquids into that bite including a full gas tank it's almost the same weight as the Stark, that KTM 450 is the lightest of all the 450s.

 

[Johnny Depp]

Let me know if you run into any binding issues or guide problems with the 15 please.

The 15 caused no fitment issues. It’s like cheating. I went 11 miles using 23%.