Post Your ***STOCK*** Stark Varg Suspension Clicker Settings!


Philip

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Hi Philip,

What hp and regen do you like best?

Thanks!
I like my regen set at 50%.

The HP varies depending on the track and my comfort level. If the track is slippery, or if I want to carry the momentum, I set it lower to 40 hp. If the traction and the confidence are high, I can run it at 50 hp or higher on the very same track.
 

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Today, I was again at Glen Helen and there were again Casey and @Bob Casper. Yesterday, I was struggling with choppy braking and acceleration bumps, and with the front end not following the ruts well. So I asked Casey for help again. This time, he rode the bike a few times, then I rode it too a few times, and this is what we came up with:

1) The tire pressures needed to be increased. According to Casey, and this makes a lot of sense, these bikes require much higher tire pressures because they are heavy. He found witness marks on my rear wheel showing where the tire was rolling over and contacting the side of the rim much more than it should have. I was under the impression that the less the pressure, the more traction, the better, as long as I don't get rim contact or a flat. What I forgot is common sense and all my automotive engineering. Low pressures might be better for deep sand and or rock crawling, but for a proper contact patch on pavement or on a hardpack track you need proper tire pressures. And so, my traction was okay, as long as I was smooth and nothing unusual was happening, but if I suddenly went more aggressive or hit some bumps, all of a sudden I was losing a lot of traction, control, and a lot of confidence! Pumping up the tires to higher pressures restored this over-the-limit traction, consistency, and confidence!

The stock Pirellis have very thin and much softer sidewalls than most Dunlops, Bridgestones, or Michelins. Stark likes them because they are very light and cheap in Europe. They need to be run at much higher pressures than 13.5 psi.

2) Front compression 3 clicks stiffer. That made my fork ride higher in the stroke, which gave me a bit of that choppered-out feel. I do not always like this feel, but it often allows me to ride more aggressively. The ride in the choppy sections became much softer (the spring force is smaller higher in the stroke). Also, the bike started to track much better through ruts because the position of the front wheel became more consistent. The flat-turn handling suffered a little bit, but with the fork moving less the bike became more predictable. Ultimately, too much fork compression damping was bad too, so both Casey and I tried multiple settings and found a happy compromise between the rutted and the flat turns, which also happened to have given us a softer ride in choppy sections.

Here are the updated settings:

RiderWeightSkill LevelPrimary Riding
Philip195 w/o gear, 225 with gearIntermediateMotocross
FRONT SuspensionFactory Default for 90/95 kgPhilip's Settings (by Casey Casper)Delta from Factory
Top Clickers - Comp Low1014/15+4.5
Bottom Clickers - Reb Low1214/14+2
Fork legs above the triple clamp2.5mm5mm+2.5mm
Front tirePirelliBridgestone X31 @13.5psi or higther for Pirellis
REAR Suspension
Silver - Comp Low1216+4
Blue - Comp High1412-2
Red - Reb Low1010
Bottom - Reb High1515
Rear Sag105105
Rear tirePirelliBridgestone X30 @13psi or higther for Pirellis

Two more things that are not quite suspension-related, but still improved my control and handling since the last update:
- I rolled the stock handlebar forward to the +1.0 setting (search the forum).
- I installed a Guts Racing RJ Wing seat cover (search the forum).
 

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I wonder how the stock EX suspension will come. I'll do some testing when it arrives and update here. Thanks for sharing.
 

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I have had my stark for a while
mx 19 handbrake 13tooth sprocket
I ordered it with a harder spring as i like it tight
70kg rider usually i like my suspension pretty standard as per a 85 kg rider
I used philips original setup without altering the high speed compression
I noticed it is more accurate at mid speed cornering
holds a line way better
better traction
I would say start with that a clik here or there should get you close without spending
money having it tuned
I run 60 hp 30 percent regain
on various terrain
high speed farm roads/ single track/ small skills track and some outdoor mx
 

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I used philips original setup without altering the high speed compression
Thanks for this tip. I played with this blue rear hi-speed compression clicker today. Clicked it two clicks back out, back to stock, the bike started riding softer, like a big sofa. It was more relaxing, but it was slower, I didn't like it. However... one thing that I had been struggling with recently improved dramatically -- an occasional spooky headshake on landings -- disappeared almost completely!

I ended the day with 13 clicks out - the setting between yours (the stock) 14 and my old 12. A good compromise.

I also tried stiffening the front compression, but the front was already as good as it gets, so I left it alone. Even one click on one side did not make things better.
 

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TAKE TWO
The bike was going through the midstroke in the fork to quickly when pressed
I moved the settings to the same as philips second setting basically

FRONT top + 4 cliks
bottom +1

REAR silver +4 (could try 5}
blue +0

I will report back with any changes
The trick is to run it as hard as you can for speed and accuracy around the track
This setting has helped a lot to reduce arm pump
Thanks to philip and casey for giving me a ballpark to play in
 

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philip try taking that 1 clik out of the back and going 1 clik harder at the front
i found the rear was smick for hookup (low speed like holeshot)
im running about 95 mm sag in the rear standard ride height at the front
i think the original numbers would be a good enduro mid speed setup plus 6 front plus 4 rear softer
it came with a half turn in the adjusters left hand fork i know why they do that artificial binding
ALL MY CLIK ADJUSTMENTS ARE IN THE Soft DIRECTION
i did not dial these settings from zero all the way to hard(was as it came)
I am going to try + 3 one clik harder fork compression next/ front top
i am not sure what springs are in the bike either
my best advice throw the phone away after you set it on 60 keep that black thing on the right side of the handlebar turned full on
 

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philip try taking that 1 clik out of the back and going 1 clik harder at the front
I tried 1 click harder in the front and 1 click softer than before in the back, and the bike felt choppered out and had too little front traction in hardpack flat turns. So, I put the front back to where it was.

I feel my bike is nicely balanced right now. I already went 1 click softer in the rear compared to where I was. Going 2 clicks softer makes the rear pack up.

The bike appears to blow through the front stroke a little faster than through the rear stroke on hard landings, which results in a headshake. I might want to try more high-speed compression in the front. Unfortunately, the front does not have a high-speed compression clicker, LOL!

I heard Yamaha does not allow KYB to sell forks with the same shim stacks as they use to other manufacturers. So, I have stock 2014 YZ-450 forks that I want to try. Just need to make sure they have the correct springs.
 

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Here are the updated settings.

Note the all-important 5-lb reduction reduction in rider weight!

RiderWeightSkill LevelPrimary Riding
Philip190 w/o gear, 220 with gearIntermediateMotocross
FRONT SuspensionFactory Default for 90/95 kgPhilip's Settings (by Casey Casper)Delta from Factory
Top Clickers - Comp Low1014/15+4.5
Bottom Clickers - Reb Low1214/14+2
Fork legs above the triple clamp2.5mm5mm+2.5mm
Front tirePirelliBridgestone X31 @13.5psi or higther for Pirellis
REAR Suspension
Silver - Comp Low1216+4
Blue - Comp High1413-1
Red - Reb Low1010
Bottom - Reb High1515
Rear Sag105105
Rear tirePirelliBridgestone X30 @13psi or higther for Pirellis
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