Stark Varg EX in excessive heat.

[markanddona]

Due to the delivery schedule I received the EX at the end of our riding season here in AZ. SV says to keep the bike under 86 degrees! Can't do that if you keep it in the garage here in the desert. If it's 105 outside and pull in a 200 degree car you're way over temp. Hard to justify cooling the garage for the SV. Any other desert dwellers out there storing the bike in the heat? Right now mine is in the living room. Too hot to ride down here now but I do go up in elevation where it is cooler to ride.

 

[Osika]

Good question. I have a few 95 days in Ct
But yes AZ over 100 all the time.

 

[Erwin P]

Had some hot periods, bike did not explode or catch fire.

 

[markanddona]

Good question. I have a few 95 days in Ct
But yes AZ over 100 all the time.

No not all the time but in the summer it usually gets over 100. If you have your car in the garage with the bike it probably gets over 100 also when you pull the car in.

 

[Philip]

I run A/C in my AZ garage June through September. Keeps those cars and motorcycles with their plastic and rubber parts from falling apart. Zip ties last only a few months here in Arizona before they shatter like glass. I have never seen such brittle zip ties when I lived in Michigan.

 

[markanddona]

I run A/C in my AZ garage June through September. Keeps those cars and motorcycles with their plastic and rubber parts from falling apart. Zip ties last only a few months here in Arizona before they shatter like glass. I have never seen such brittle zip ties when I lived in Michigan.

Problem with the zip ties are most are made in China.

 

[Vega]

Ya I never mess with nylon zip ties. I always use stainless.

 

[Chaconne]

Problem with the zip ties are most are made in China.

Why would where the zip ties are made matter? Alll plastics no matter where they are made typically fail due to exposure to UV.

 

[Chaconne]

I run A/C in my AZ garage June through September. Keeps those cars and motorcycles with their plastic and rubber parts from falling apart. Zip ties last only a few months here in Arizona before they shatter like glass. I have never seen such brittle zip ties when I lived in Michigan.

Do they get sun exposure in AZ? Even shit plastic typically doesn't degrade quickly thermally below 150 F. I have plastic zip ties in my garage cheap shit bought from Home Depot and they have lasted for years. And the garage is unheated and uncooled (but no or little sun). Temps range from 0 F to 110 F. Loads are low and static maybe that's why they last?

 

[Philip]

Do they get sun exposure in AZ? Even shit plastic typically doesn't degrade quickly thermally below 150 F. I have plastic zip ties in my garage cheap shit bought from Home Depot and they have lasted for years. And the garage is unheated and uncooled (but no or little sun). Temps range from 0 F to 110 F. Loads are low and static maybe that's why they last?

I have no idea what the deal is with brittle zip ties in Arizona! It is not just new or old, and it is not just one brand. And, everything we buy is made in China anyway. I had a box of zip ties for 20 years in Michigan and never had a single problem with them. In Arizona, those 20-year-old zip ties, and some freshly bought ones as well, turned into brittle matchsticks within months, even without sun exposure. With some sun exposure, they turn into glass! A plastic clothes hanger in the closet broke too, even though it was in an air-conditioned walk-in closet and never saw any heat or sunlight. Is there some kind of plastic-eating fungus here in addition to the heat? A plastic privacy fence that was designed to stay outside in the sun shattered within 3 months. The zip ties that held it in place cannot be removed anymore, they break into 4 pieces as soon as I touch them! It's brutal!

 

[Chaconne]

I have no idea what the deal is with brittle zip ties in Arizona! It is not just new or old, and it is not just one brand. And, everything we buy is made in China anyway. I had a box of zip ties for 20 years in Michigan and never had a single problem with them. In Arizona, those 20-year-old zip ties, and some freshly bought ones as well, turned into brittle matchsticks within months, even without sun exposure. With some sun exposure, they turn into glass! A plastic clothes hanger in the closet broke too, even though it was in an air-conditioned walk-in closet and never saw any heat or sunlight. Is there some kind of plastic-eating fungus here in addition to the heat? A plastic privacy fence that was designed to stay outside in the sun shattered within 3 months. The zip ties that held it in place cannot be removed anymore, they break into 4 pieces as soon as I touch them! It's brutal!

Wow. I have never heard of that. My brother lives in Rimrock. I will have him check on the zip ties and plastics of some of our stuff.

 

[Caryder]

Due to the delivery schedule I received the EX at the end of our riding season here in AZ. SV says to keep the bike under 86 degrees! Can't do that if you keep it in the garage here in the desert. If it's 105 outside and pull in a 200 degree car you're way over temp. Hard to justify cooling the garage for the SV. Any other desert dwellers out there storing the bike in the heat? Right now mine is in the living room. Too hot to ride down here now but I do go up in elevation where it is cooler to ride.

That doesn’t seem like a very practical high storage temperature or even operating temperature. I wonder why Stark would have such a low temp? Alta storage is 140F, operating 113F.

Cooler is better, but you can’t limit an electric vehicle to 85F and expect it to be useful in the summer.

 

[Philip]

Cooler is better, but you can’t limit an electric vehicle to 85F and expect it to be useful in the summer.

Nissan Leafs had no active battery cooling. They worked in Phoenix, and they were still sold there, but they didn't last very long. The actual driving ranges were dropping from 90 miles to below 44 miles on a full charge. In 2021, Nissan started asking buyers to sign a CYA disclaimer that their batteries will degrade quicker in Arizona. In 2025 they finally introduced a new battery with active cooling.

Nissan Leaf owners in hot climates experiencing battery problems

2012 has been one of the hottest years in American history and while that is only a minor concern to most owners of newer vehicles – Nissan Leaf electric vehicle owners in US areas with extremely high temperatures are reporting vastly reduced battery mileage.

www.torquenews.com

https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_981e2203-21c6-4753-8f34-dac85b9c5f92

 

[Chaconne]

Nissan Leafs had no active battery cooling. They worked in Phoenix, and they were still sold there, but they didn't last very long. The actual driving ranges were dropping from 90 miles to below 44 miles on a full charge. In 2021, Nissan started asking buyers to sign a CYA disclaimer that their batteries will degrade quicker in Arizona. In 2025 they finally introduced a new battery with active cooling.

Nissan Leaf owners in hot climates experiencing battery problems

2012 has been one of the hottest years in American history and while that is only a minor concern to most owners of newer vehicles – Nissan Leaf electric vehicle owners in US areas with extremely high temperatures are reporting vastly reduced battery mileage.

www.torquenews.com

https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_981e2203-21c6-4753-8f34-dac85b9c5f92

It is nice to know the E auto industry has found work for former Chevy Vega engineers. It must be a special thing to design something that won't work within the normal operating ranges encountered by users and then fully inform buyers of it almost 10 years later. This likely helps sustain the legal profession as well I bet...

 

[EDR1]

did 99 laps (1-1/2hr constant) in 105degree heat (LitPro contest) The bike acted normally.

 

[DaveAusNor]

did 99 laps (1-1/2hr constant) in 105degree heat (LitPro contest) The bike acted normally.

Wow, that's impressive. How did you last for that long in that heat

 

[EDR1]

Not well. Heart rate reached 200BPM. I thought i was dying. The worst part was receiving a polyester T-Shirt from the contest sponsor a month later. I hate polyester.

 

[RobA321]

I’m in phoenix and never had any indication of over heat. Ride it when it’s hot and it stays in hot garage. Fan runs a lot and range is affected but nothing else unusual.