Ty Tremaine and Lyndon Poskitt to race in the Erzberg Rodeo


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Great attempt still made it further than 300+ gas motorcycle.👍I say that’s not bad. 👍 How about a couple of extra hands at the battery swap to change wheels? With what they learn this year, next year the battery will be a lot better.
👍 Well done 👍
 

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Perfect explanation by Alta to what went on in the Erzbergrodeo.
Sharing this info with us is the most important thing for me as a customer.
Not being in touch with the customers is what made Zero motorcycles loose me as a customer (and many other).

Back to the race, wonder if the battery was overheating during the race.

If Ty's helmet camera video can be uploaded for us to see, will be great.
 

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But we learned a lot, and what we learned wasn't that we *shouldn't* attempt it again...

Seems like it, but the gas bikes refuel at the top of the Machine before the drop in to Carl's Dinner, not too much further along the course.

It wasn't until the last 10 years that anyone stateside even heard of the ER, mostly due to Taddy and of course Red Bull. Ask your typical demographic buyer about the race and who won and I'd say less than 10% would have any knowledge and of those probably less than 1% would say it influences their buying decision. Tuning the bike specifically for the challenges of a one-off race with an equally one-off rider at the potential detriment of all/everyone else is great if that's your only goal. SX teams make the mistake every year of testing/tuning specifically for A1 and can't understand why the same setup doesn't work at the next race (with the same rider!). Heck, the Baja 1000 is probably a more recognizable and demanding test, why not focus on it? It's also much more representative of the type of riding most of us do anyway as are most local events.

If the pack used at the ER lasted at race pace almost to the refuel for most ICE bike equipped with typical offroad tanks (2+gallons), then indeed, I'd say there's something very special about that pack!
 

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It wasn't until the last 10 years that anyone stateside even heard of the ER, mostly due to Taddy and of course Red Bull. Ask your typical demographic buyer about the race and who won and I'd say less than 10% would have any knowledge and of those probably less than 1% would say it influences their buying decision. Tuning the bike specifically for the challenges of a one-off race with an equally one-off rider at the potential detriment of all/everyone else is great if that's your only goal. SX teams make the mistake every year of testing/tuning specifically for A1 and can't understand why the same setup doesn't work at the next race (with the same rider!). Heck, the Baja 1000 is probably a more recognizable and demanding test, why not focus on it? It's also much more representative of the type of riding most of us do anyway as are most local events.

In Europe and Israel included, the ER, Romaniacs and such are the biggest and most anticipated dirt bikes events.
We care much less about motocross, which is very popular in the US (and in this group as well). Alta is eventually aiming at the world dirt bike community, and not solely on the US market, I suppose.
 

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In Europe and Israel included, the ER, Romaniacs and such are the biggest and most anticipated dirt bikes events.
We care much less about motocross, which is very popular in the US (and in this group as well). Alta is eventually aiming at the world dirt bike community, and not solely on the US market, I suppose.

No doubt, this is true. Extreme Enduros are getting very popular. I'd just prefer to read about current owners and members of this very forum (wherever they live) entering and completing local "non extreme" Enduros/races without battery concerns before I read about ANYONE finishing the ER with pack swaps. I understand and agree that any manufacture needs to push the envelop with the goal of improving the product. However, the ER in my opinion is an overreach in this regards (assuming a relative stock battery pack).
 

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Surprised at running a soft terrain tire there

According to a Dunlop guy I talked to, ST tires generally use harder compounds than intermediates, with the HT tires sometimes using very soft rubber (I felt one at a show that was slightly sticky). I go thru 2-3 ST sets a year, and I find ST knobs tend to stay flatter and sharper-edged as they wear. Maybe the ER guys are just looking for a little extra time before they're ripped to shreds. :)
 

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At the finish line when they were talking to Jarvis they were commenting on how his tires looked better than most other guys tires and attributing that to him not roosting all over the place tearing them to shreds. I think the Altas power probably had something to do with how that tire looked.
 

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In my small hill climbing experience, lugging the Alta up a hill is where it has a huge advantage over the gas bikes. But once you start roosting, which I suppose is advantageous in certain terrains, it does not matter as much what kind of powertrain you have.
 

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At the finish line when they were talking to Jarvis they were commenting on how his tires looked better than most other guys tires and attributing that to him not roosting all over the place tearing them to shreds. I think the Altas power probably had something to do with how that tire looked.

Could be, but a reasonable alternative explanation is that Garvis technique is different. In a good way.
 

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Here is the full footage from Ty.


All things considered, I'd say Ty and the EXR made it quite far!

At times there was tons of wheel-spin, and surprisingly long fire roads. Hindsight always 20/20, but with a better start, I could definitely see him making it to the battery swap as planned, sort of keying off the top guys and (hopefully) being pulled along the correct route. Just too bad we gotta wait ~11 months to see it.
 

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I'm sure most everyone received the email from Alta, but some great details here: Erzbergrodeo Red Bull Hare Scramble 2018 (posted below)

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First off... why?
Why sign up for the most grueling enduro race ever conceived?
Why travel half-way around the world to compete with electric motorcycles that had never before even attempted a hard enduro?
Why did we only send 4 bikes?
Those are all great questions and there's only one answer for it. We believe in what we make here at Alta Motors. We created an electric motorcycle – one that can compete at the highest levels of the sport, and the Erzbergrodeo Red Bull Hare Scramble would be the ultimate testing grounds. Unfortunately for us, fate had other plans.
After just a few months of training and preparation, our UK based off-road-machine Lyndon Poskitt set out for an 11 hour drive across half of Europe to Austria. With his two prototype Redshifts(later released as the Redshift EXR), generators, and race gear in tow, the Poskitt crew takes a lunch pit stop just outside of Harlow.
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The culprits made off with both bikes and a majority of Lyndon's race equipment. Media outlets across the globe picked up Lyndon's pleas for aid, collecting over a million views in a matter of hours. Rewards were offered, APBs put out, but to no avail. Alternative plans were hatched to drive in the wrong direction to France to pick up some stock Redshift MXs from a gracious owner, but the detour would have forced Lyndon to miss qualifiers.
To the dismay of our crew in California, we received the news as we were leaving for the airport. What had we gotten ourselves into?

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See those tiny multi-colored pixels to the left – those are cars.

Enter – Ty Tremaine, the Alta factory pilot. Probably the tallest hard enduro rider ever. Able to put his feet on the ground while sitting on his bike... with his bike on the stand. The Manute Bol of the enduro scene.
Ty had arrived a day earlier than the rest of the Alta crew and toured the Iron Mountain, hiking 10 miles through the course. Fortunately for the rest of us and all of our gear, we had 4x4s. I don't know how many iron mines you've seen in your life, but it's safe to say they're pretty big, Erzberg being the largest open-pit mine in Western Europe.
Covered in a thick coating of a red-orange dust, we took in the beauty of Austria, atleast the giant iron mine part of it. With the official route still unreleased we hit all the known features we could. With ominous names such as Elevator, Machine, Dynamite, and Carl's Dinner, we soon realized that the photo and video we had seen could never do these sites justice. We reached the top in time for a selfie, the air cool was cool and thin, our heads still spinning from the switchbacks it took to get up there and the daunting task we set ourselves up for.

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Friday, Qualifying Round 1 - The Prologue is a 13.5km(8.5 miles for us Yanks) dead sprint to the top of the mountain. Released at 20 second intervals between each other, the Prologue would see just north of 1,500 racers from all over Europe and the world try to qualify in the top 500 to be able to even attempt the main event.
Despite the major setback of losing Lyndon's bikes, generators, and most of his gear, the Alta crew stayed the course and fielded both riders in the Prologue by dividing up the two remaining bikes originally set up for Ty Tremaine.
Friday morning, Alta’s first run in the Prologue unsurprisingly proved to be a learning experience for the team. We geared too tall and the long climb to the top brought some overheating which limited Ty and Lyndon's top speeds. Despite these problems, Ty managed to take 43rd, faster than 1,457 other riders. Lyndon just missing the second row, placing 101st.
Saturday, Qualifying Round 2 - With a handful of tweaks to gearing, suspension, and the bikes' tunable performance maps, Ty and Lyndon set out on their second Qualifying round. The track now worn down and loose by 1,500 riders mashing their throttles to the stops. The tweaks to the bikes proved fruitful though, with Ty finishing 35th fastest for the day and moving up a few spots overall, firmly positioning him on the front row for Sunday's big event.
Lyndon jumps a respectable 11 positions to seat himself in the second row. Unfortunately high-tech batteries were in short supply at Erzberg with half of our fleet stolen, and Ty needed both of the remaining units to have a shot at finishing the course – one that burns upwards of 12 liters(over 3 gallons) on gasoline bikes. Lyndon's indomitable spirit shrugged it off, happy to support Ty with valuable course intel and an extra set of mechanics hands.
Erzberg was a great show of team work. We overcame adversity when two of the bikes and lots of equipment were stolen en route to the event. Everyone stayed positive and pushed towards a common goal to get the most possible from the situation.”
-Lyndon Poskitt

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Sunday, Race Day – Ty made his descent into the pit cutout from the side of the mountain, a gigantic swimming pool of rock and dust several football fields wide. Hours passed slowly, as 500 riders collected into the dust bowl, some respite from the sun was needed, and shade was now at a premium. Red Bull keeps us entertained with stunt riders and skydivers, but we were not there for that, we were there to race. With engines still revving, the flag is brought out, bikes are warm, the flag dropped – apparently this was not a dead engine start, a first in Rodeo history. Caught off guard, Ty got a late start off the line and initially trailed much of the first group. But Ty quickly gained ground by picking his lines out of the mine and dicing his way through riders struggling up the brutal hill climbs, gaining a spot amongst the top 20 as they rode up the Mitas Rocket Ride. Checkpoint after checkpoint, Ty moved up. The hillclimbs were gnarly, the forest is treacherous; the Iron Mountain lived up to its reputation.
Watch Ty Tremaine's GoPro footage for an intimate experience of Erzberg; because nothing we can say will do it justice.


I was totally caught off guard at race start, but the Alta worked great and I made up a lot of spots quickly. The bike climbed super well and I got right back into it. I followed Paul Bolton, learned from his lines, and at one point I actually passed Graham Jarvis. The woods were the biggest surprise for me. They were super tricky and I found myself off course for a bit. I was disappointed when I ran out of power just before our planned battery swap point at Machine. I learned a lot about the Iron Mountain and I know that I am ready for this level and so is the bike.”
- Ty Tremaine
Unfortunately for us, without any way to obtain course data prior to just running the race, we underestimated the mountain, placing our battery swap location just out of reach. Ty was one checkpoint away... but hey, that's racing. You won this time Erzberg, but we'll be back.

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A few things that stood out to me:
  • Huge props for Alta attempting the rodeo and for this thorough write-up / video / sharing helmet cam. I'm sure they were hoping for a holeshot and finish, but they learned so much and accomplished a lot in their first go. (y)
  • Ty's mention of the "Hill Hold" custom map feature to prevent rolling back on hills (mentioned ~8:15 in the video) - know that's been an oft-mentioned wish list item here: 2019 / 2020 wish list
  • Ty finished a front row qualifying position in day one even with battery overheating - think that was the first mention of the battery limiting performance, previously think it was only referenced as gearing adjustments that were needed
  • Footage from Ty's GoPro is so intense. Stinks he was buried after the start.
  • Still such a bummer Lyndon's stuff was stolen, and can't believe it hasn't been recovered yet! Wonder if there should be some sort of "find-my-bike" beacon thing for the SM and EX/EXR (if only Liam Neeson was on the case)
 

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