Varg MX 1.2

[markhamr]

I would buy one but the last model fell way below expectations.
The bulls&it sales pitch about it being like a 125 put me off for a start.

 

[Jake]

I would like the power curves, but I really want the enhanced maps that come with the EX. I end up having my phone mounted on the bar along side the stark one because I cant keep the map open on the stark device.

The Road GPS seems to be pretty good on the EX but I'm not impressed with the "Trails" part of the app. I use OnX on both my MX and EX and I have found a work around for both bikes so I can keep my OnX map on top while I'm riding

 

[Beagle]

Double range for me all the way. I could live with 10 extra kg's today if it adds 1/3 range.

And battery tech is about 10% OF THE PREVIOUS YEAR per year wich actually makes for 159% increase compared to version 1 in 10 years. Double would actually be in 7 or 8 years.

Lol I was expecting someone to come up with this
Indeed 7.2% progress every year would double range in 10 years.
Anyway it's all very approximate, progress is not exactly linear (even in the past 4 years).

 

[Theo]

1 hour charger and power adjustment coming this year per Anton on the Swapmoto vlog.

Here it is, at 39:42:

faster charger for all the existing bikes , probably coming at the end of this year.
I suppose that it will be made to be installed in the stand and replace the existing one.
It's surely an improvement to have that possibility, especially considering that a lot of people complian about the long waits to charge the bike. It is also possible to overheat the bike if you discharge by using it and then charge at that high power, but I guess that in the worst case scenario you will let the bike cool before using it, probably still waiting less than with the current charger.
Just remember that it will be useful only provided you have some way to take advantage of the higher charging power. Here in Italy at least, as far as I've seen, most of the MX tracks have some 3.5 kw sockets but usually not many; one day there were other two Vargs in a track with a single 3.5 kw socket and so we had to share it since the other option were the 0.5 kw sockets for the people who camp in the parking lot.
So 3.5 is already a little demanding and more than that would start to be rarely available, I guess.
At least here I think that such a charger would make sense only if there is a high power source like some expensive power station or a Cybertruck.
Personally I dislike the idea of using a generator.
If people understood electric MX bikesand bought them then probably tracks owners would invest and make faster charging possible, but that is a different story.
There are some EVs that can provide you with V2L but, as far as I know and according to AI, only the Cybertruck and the Ford F-150 can give you that kind of power.

 

[Beagle]

Here it is, at 39:42:

faster charger for all the existing bikes , probably coming at the end of this year.
I suppose that it will be made to be installed in the stand and replace the existing one.
It's surely an improvement to have that possibility, especially considering that a lot of people complian about the long waits to charge the bike. It is also possible to overheat the bike if you discharge by using it and then charge at that high power, but I guess that in the worst case scenario you will let the bike cool before using it, probably still waiting less than with the current charger.
Just remember that it will be useful only provided you have some way to take advantage of the higher charging power. Here in Italy at least, as far as I've seen, most of the MX tracks have some 3.5 kw sockets but usually not many; one day there were other two Vargs in a track with a single 3.5 kw socket and so we had to share it since the other option were the 0.5 kw sockets for the people who camp in the parking lot.
So 3.5 is already a little demanding and more than that would start to be rarely available, I guess.
At least here I think that such a charger would make sense only if there is a high power source like some expensive power station or a Cybertruck.
Personally I dislike the idea of using a generator.
If people understood electric MX bikesand bought them then probably tracks owners would invest and make faster charging possible, but that is a different story.
There are some EVs that can provide you with V2L but, as far as I know and according to AI, only the Cybertruck and the Ford F-150 can give you that kind of power.

Exactly.
Standard household outlet in France is 3.5 kW (16 A x 220 V, like Italy and many other European countries ), fast charger would be cool to have as an option for those who may have a use for it.
Besides V2L (or car fast chargers on the road or at home), it will take some time before fast charger might become available at tracks, that can only come sooner when the electric dirt bike offer increases when OEMs join the fray.

Another unrelated info I took from this video: warranty cost is 2.5% of revenue for 2025. Anton says it's industry standard, I guess here industry means motorcycles at large, not dirt bikes since other manufacturers warranty are mostly inexistent (Yamaha 30 days limited warranty is probably the longest on ICE MXer )

 

[Chaconne]

First look: Updated Stark VARG MX 1.2 – unchanged looks hide healthy updates

Stark Future unveils the VARG MX 1.2, “a significant evolution” of its electric motocross model lands with updated powertrain, gearbox and battery (20% more range), new wiring, new suspension valving, and a new smartphone for real-time track data.

enduro21.com

What’s New in the VARG MX 1.2:​

• Updated powertrain with improved efficiency
• New battery pack with 7.2 kWh and boasting 20% more range
• New frame is lighter and stronger steel alloy with claimed twice the strength of the chromoly steel used by other manufacturers and increased flex
• Overmolded wiring harness for extreme conditions
• Internally routed map switch cable, cleaner and protected inside the handlebars
• Reinforced, dual-compound skid plate, fully biodegradable
• Redesigned chain guide with 266% more lateral stiffness and a 7% weight gain
• New improved tyre inner tubes (if opted for)
• New Stark Arkenstone phone and docking station, with better connectivity, speed, brightness and clamping system (lap mode also available in all existing bikes in the next few months)
• New gearbox, lighter and with claimed higher efficiency
• New seat cover options to choose from
• 19 or 18-inch rear wheel, foot or hand brake and handguard options
• Two-year warranty as standard

Build your own bike​

• Choice of Dunlop MX34 or Pirelli MX32 tires with tubes or mousse
• Optional titanium hardware package drops 900 grams
• Brembo braking system: foot or handlebar-operated
• Three seat grip levels: Standard, Grip, and SuperGrip for total control

Available now worldwide in two configurations:

Standard (60hp): €12,490 / £10,490 / $12,490* / AUD 18,990

Alpha (80hp): €13,490 / £11,490 / $13,490* / AUD 19,990

*Note: US pricing excludes $1,000 tariff charge (you go for it Donald!)

With all the new features nobody noted that the tube "choice" is either mousse or changing out the plastic inserts for real tubes upon arrival. 1000.00 sales tax haha what does that protect Harley's closing of Alta...

 

[Erwin P]

I have limited use for a faster charger today as only a few MX tracks here have 12kW charger stations. However i would just buy a bigger generator.
My choice for the Varg had nothing to do with the enviroment.

However in the time my ICE used 10-15L of fuel my small 4kW charger uses just 2-3L. Bigger generators are mostly more efficiënt so a nett winn for the enviroment in my very specific case

 

[Theo]

I have limited use for a faster charger today as only a few MX tracks here have 12kW charger stations. However i would just buy a bigger generator.
My choice for the Varg had nothing to do with the enviroment.

However in the time my ICE used 10-15L of fuel my small 4kW charger uses just 2-3L. Bigger generators are mostly more efficiënt so a nett winn for the enviroment in my very specific case

Actually as far as I know that's one way in which EVs are supposed to be powered in an environmentally friendly way: you burn fuel in a more efficient manner than doing it directly in an engine using generators and then you use the electricial energy produced in electric motors whose efficiency is better than in ICEs, in order to get an overall less fuel consumption and, in the case of a power plant, less pollution since the exhaust gases are processed better.

 

[Johnny Depp]

With all the new features nobody noted that the tube "choice" is either mousse or changing out the plastic inserts for real tubes upon arrival. 1000.00 sales tax haha what does that protect Harley's closing of Alta...

Or you can get the Mid Soft Pirelli's or Dunlop MX34's.

 

[Johnny Depp]

Here it is, at 39:42:

faster charger for all the existing bikes , probably coming at the end of this year.
I suppose that it will be made to be installed in the stand and replace the existing one.
It's surely an improvement to have that possibility, especially considering that a lot of people complian about the long waits to charge the bike. It is also possible to overheat the bike if you discharge by using it and then charge at that high power, but I guess that in the worst case scenario you will let the bike cool before using it, probably still waiting less than with the current charger.
Just remember that it will be useful only provided you have some way to take advantage of the higher charging power. Here in Italy at least, as far as I've seen, most of the MX tracks have some 3.5 kw sockets but usually not many; one day there were other two Vargs in a track with a single 3.5 kw socket and so we had to share it since the other option were the 0.5 kw sockets for the people who camp in the parking lot.
So 3.5 is already a little demanding and more than that would start to be rarely available, I guess.
At least here I think that such a charger would make sense only if there is a high power source like some expensive power station or a Cybertruck.
Personally I dislike the idea of using a generator.
If people understood electric MX bikesand bought them then probably tracks owners would invest and make faster charging possible, but that is a different story.
There are some EVs that can provide you with V2L but, as far as I know and according to AI, only the Cybertruck and the Ford F-150 can give you that kind of power.

RV 220v 50amp plugs are fairly common at US MX tracks. It will be interesting to see what they sell it for, but range has never been an issue for me. I don't even bring my generator anymore. By the time the battery needs more juice, I'm already drinking beer and done riding.

 

[markhamr]

The bike still comes with the same crap tubes what a joke.
Who puts a mouse on a mx bike.
Do these blokes know anything about dirt bikes at all.

 

[Erwin P]

Not exactly the same tubes. A whole lott thicker and with reinforcement at the rimlock. Have you tried the new tubes? They actually do last now. The old ones lasted 1-2 days. Had no issue with the new one in the rear though and used it quite a lott.

 

[Erwin P]

Actually as far as I know that's one way in which EVs are supposed to be powered in an environmentally friendly way: you burn fuel in a more efficient manner than doing it directly in an engine using generators and then you use the electricial energy produced in electric motors whose efficiency is better than in ICEs, in order to get an overall less fuel consumption and, in the case of a power plant, less pollution since the exhaust gases are processed better.

In highway traffic it's far less gain since cars are quite efficient nowadays. However MX bikes closing and opening throtlle every few seconds arn't. Elektrik motors care less about that so there's a huge gain here.
And a generator running one constant RPM can be built very efficient since it doesn't need al that flexibility over the range.

Another big plus about having a generator with you is that you can be that guy who brings that deep fryer to the Enduro park

 

[OpaTsupa]

Exactly.
Standard household outlet in France is 3.5 kW (16 A x 220 V, like Italy and many other European countries ), fast charger would be cool to have as an option for those who may have a use for it.
Besides V2L (or car fast chargers on the road or at home), it will take some time before fast charger might become available at tracks, that can only come sooner when the electric dirt bike offer increases when OEMs join the fray.

Another unrelated info I took from this video: warranty cost is 2.5% of revenue for 2025. Anton says it's industry standard, I guess here industry means motorcycles at large, not dirt bikes since other manufacturers warranty are mostly inexistent (Yamaha 30 days limited warranty is probably the longest on ICE MXer )

Do you have these three-phase plugs in your houses?


Here they are used for larger consumers like ovens and heaters, but I don't see them on modern (EU) appliances.

I wonder if it makes sense to use it with a Shuko adapter to charge the Varg.

 

[Erwin P]

I know that in most of Europe we just use 3 fase outlets (400V) for bigger stuff.

I have that in my garage for serious equipment. I imagine the double speed charger will have an option for that otherwise no one will really have a use for it.

 

[OpaTsupa]

One paradox about fastest possible charging at the track is that battery will already be hot, and it may do more harm than good in the long term.

I wish they focused instead on half-strength, small and portable charger.

 

[DaveAusNor]

Not exactly the same tubes. A whole lott thicker and with reinforcement at the rimlock. Have you tried the new tubes? They actually do last now. The old ones lasted 1-2 days. Had no issue with the new one in the rear though and used it quite a lott.

Yep my rear "redtube" is at 600km now no issues. The front went fairly fast though. The rim lock protection didn't quite do its job.

 

[Beagle]

Do you have these three-phase plugs in your houses? View attachment 14321 Here they are used for larger consumers like ovens and heaters, but I don't see them on modern (EU) appliances. I wonder if it makes sense to use it with a Shuko adapter to charge the Varg.

High power outlets look like this here.

It's 3 phase, 380 V, 32 A, 12 kW.
Quite common in the industry to power machine tools, uncommon in standard household (most electric appliances like oven or washing machine now use standard outlets) but could be installed, just like you can put EV fast charger in your garage.

 

[rs911]

One paradox about fastest possible charging at the track is that battery will already be hot, and it may do more harm than good in the long term.

I wish they focused instead on half-strength, small and portable charger.

I agree.

I think a lighter and portable charger would be useful for more people than a faster charger that you probably won't be able to use because of the heat and lack of high power outlets.

 

[markhamr]

My front tube lasted 40 mtrs
the rear not much better
stark seems to be incoherent
price point too at nearly 30 percent dearer than a gas bike it should come
with the best of everything.
I have worked at getting my mx1 being reliable
much more effort than any other bike i have had.
Thanks to phillip and johnny depp the bike is now usable,
more reaffirming what I thought. The rest of the issues I worked out myself.
buttons I removed a lot of the grease that was clogging them up
bike shut down dont run it on 80
tubes of course
A few software issues early on that cleared up
and that other issue which is only fixable by replacing the whole bike.

I can imagine there would be all sorts of insurance issues
charging faster
Every time there is a ev fire usually some cheap scooter,
it makes the news i said to my mates 100s of gas engine vehicles catch fire every day
vw anyone. Dodgy fuel lines and the rest.
some people put 3 phase in there garage here to run welders lifts etc
some 3 phase options where available for evs here.