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Same with me.
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While the yz450f is now a proven bike. The current core tech wasn't and that ran from 2010-2017 as not being a good bike. And until 2021 when Ferrandis won 2021 AMA outdoors many were still skeptical that it was any good in the US. Go over to TT if you don't believe me, it used to have its own designation over there it was BFP which stood for Blu Fat Pig when referring the YZ450F.
Stark for a new bike with a new concept is doing pretty damn good even versus the established guys. I didn't expect the Stark to be as good as a bike with 15 years of development did you? Maybe your expectations were a little high. Think about KTM's cam problem you couldn't even complain to anyone there was no customer service not shitty customer service nothing. And they denied until there was threat of a class action lawsuit.
BTW Stark did not "need" a 2 year warranty. They calculated the risk and it was deemed low enough to offer. Plus 3rd parties are underwriting extended warranties. Typically insurance companies don't sign up for shit that won't make money at high profits and to that they need risk assessment that there won't be excess warranty cost. So I don't think it necessarily speak negatively about the Stark with regard to warranty.
The 2 years warranty was very clever from Stark, to reassure buyers betting on a unknown startup.
As it turns out, it was also needed since there was a fair amount of battery and power train failures, among others. Had it not been handled correctly, the bad press could have (deservedly) killed them for sure.
Of course it wasn't handled perfectly but in most cases replacement parts came swiftly.
Wass says warranty cost in 2025 is 2.5% of their revenue, on average that's about €/$300 per bike.
As it turns out, it was also needed since there was a fair amount of battery and power train failures, among others. Had it not been handled correctly, the bad press could have (deservedly) killed them for sure.
Of course it wasn't handled perfectly but in most cases replacement parts came swiftly.
Wass says warranty cost in 2025 is 2.5% of their revenue, on average that's about €/$300 per bike.
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I don't think I would have purchased a Varg if it were not for the 2 year warranty. The warranty sealed the deal for me.
I also think that I would not have preordered the EX on the same day it was announced if it hadn't come with a 2 year warranty.
I'm also 100% sure I would either buy a new bike or extend the warranty before before it expires.
"new concept" Maybe but I am sure they had a very very good look around the Alta and yes copied much of it. I had the need to remove the battery from our freeride E-XC a while ago and noticed the frame design where the main steel frame meets the alloy side plates, had a little chuckle to myself, the freeride is 7 years old and no sign at all of any rust ot these joints so looks like they did a better job of it than stark did.
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Well the Alta was great I was ready to buy one when I got my 300tpi. But Stark went further than Alta in range and power. And put themselves in a different class than Alta. I know you and others have had some problems I am not discounting that. But just look at TPI and TBI bikes and the Stark is world better than those.
And I have owned Yamahas forever as you know. I still ride my 2015 WR450F and had YZs since the first yzfs. And believe me if you want to see suckage try starting an early 2000s yz250f what pieces of shit those were. If Stark came out with that lousy a bike they would be out-of-business by now. It is all relative my friend.
4 stroke singles have always had issues with hot starting even today the Yamahas have lines on the throttle housing and grip you should line up when hot starting.
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It was not just hot starting with the earlier generations. Until 2006 they couldn't even get compression release right. And they were bears to start both hot & cold. And the carbs were total hunks of shit for years and years and years and years.
My 2015 WR450F with electric start and FI is not easy starting bike and the weak E-start is only so good. You might end up having to kick the bitch. Do I and did I love my Yams? Yes. But those bitches were never easy bikes and they had problems for multiple generations. Overall they are probably the best 4Ts you can buy too.
If my living situation was different I would probably looking at an FX. I am not discounting your problems and issues with Stark. Just saying they ain't that bad by comparison.
Amazed anyone listens to a word Anton Wass spouts he is so full of it, typical modern slimeball salesman, saw it within seconds of his first video and seen nothing since that would change my mind. Pepole are so weak these days how they feel the need to look up to fake people with big egos.
Times that by 50/60 and you will be at about what my bike has had in parts under warranty, the time I have had to spend on it would add up to about 6 working weeks, what do I get......next to nothing.
