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DaveAusNor

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I really wanted Excel rims with well-known hubs, so I got them directly from Haan Wheels.
Yea i did the same. Excel rims and haan hubs. Really happy with them. Did you space out the rear sprocket to avoid chain rub or did the wheel builder do that?
 

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Thanks for the helpful breakdown. I ordered 14/45 as my backup combo because I had read a few people saying that combo worked well and don't have to break the chainso

so no need to break the chain but it will be needed to move the wheel backwards right? i mean, the axle... to compensate the chain tension, am i right?
 

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Yea i did the same. Excel rims and haan hubs. Really happy with them. Did you space out the rear sprocket to avoid chain rub or did the wheel builder do that?
is this 100% needed? so i keep that in mind when i do the SM conversion... how you do it? with some bolt spacers?
 

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when Stark release the SM version maybe we can buy some SM parts from the website for our EX tuning projects jajaja maybe better brakes, brake rotors, smaller sprockets, better fitted rear sprocket chainguide, shorter chain... lets see
 

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Yea i did the same. Excel rims and haan hubs. Really happy with them. Did you space out the rear sprocket to avoid chain rub or did the wheel builder do that?
I didn't do anything out of the ordinary. I installed the sprocket on the hub without any spacer and mounted the tire myself.

wow and thats with a 150 tyre, i dont understand how the other guy fit the 160
No, they're not comparable because they have different rim widths.
Depending on the tire and rim width, a 150 mm tire can be as wide as a 160 mm tire.
I knew this setup (160mm ContiAttack SM 2 and 5" rim) worked on the Stark, I didn't want to try something else as it's already a very good tyre.
 

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I didn't do anything out of the ordinary. I installed the sprocket on the hub without any spacer and mounted the tire myself.


No, they're not comparable because they have different rim widths.
Depending on the tire and rim width, a 150 mm tire can be as wide as a 160 mm tire.
I knew this setup (160mm ContiAttack SM 2 and 5" rim) worked on the Stark, I didn't want to try something else as it's already a very good tyre.
yeah yeah i buy the conti sm2 too, it has to be the best tyre for supermoto, im thinking about the wheels, i have the typical dilemma of a 4.25 or a 5.00... since a 5.00 seems to fit with the contiattack i will probably go for that. I dont want to do major ajustments every time i want to switch for the offroad set up, just triying to do as a plug and play as i can

thank you
 

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I wanted as much traction as possible with that high-torque bike, and the change was not difficult/tricky at all in the end.
I don't think a 4.5 or 4.25 would have made a big difference for the wheel change.
 

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In the end I went with a 5” to fit a 160 tire, and I don't regret it at all.


That’s good news and a nice bike!

Does look like tight tolerance to the chain.

I figured even if it’s a little bit more work, I’m not going to be swapping out that often and would like the performance of a bigger rear tire.

How do you like those tires? They look like DR-IV?

Also, any one done the rear suspension link swap to lower the bike by 1”? On the dirt tires it’s a bit of a yoga move to get on and off. Figure the street tires will drop the seat a bit but wonder if the link swap is worth while?
 

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SM wheels lowers the bike a lot. See how it feels for you before changing the link.
Great news and will do. Better not to change things if not needed. Maybe it means it will also drop the headlight? Been riding home from work past two nights and the headlight is nice and bright just points up a bit too much so I can tell the high beams actually do anything but point to the sky. Maybe I'm dumb and need to read how to adjust. Still, this bike has been so much fun to rip at night too. If people only knew but since they don't hear anything, they don't care. lets hope it stays that way.

I still can't believe how good this bike is, as is, with these tires, on the street. Helps the roads I'm on tend to be a little bit bumpy asphalt and some grave but this bike feels so planted on the turns.

Thanks Dave and others for all the insight!

Guess there are rumors of traction control coming in some future software but so far, I think it's fun more raw. I purposely bought a 2010 RSV4 Factory because it was the last year before they added all the electronic aids. Not that I'm against, this marked the peak of my favorite bike before I'm guessing, it changed characteristics due to more electronic aids? Could certainly be wrong and haven't ridden a RSV4 newer. Oddly to popular pundits, I prefer the V2 to the V4.

-The Phantom
 

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How do you like those tires? They look like DR-IV?

Also, any one done the rear suspension link swap to lower the bike by 1”? On the dirt tires it’s a bit of a yoga move to get on and off. Figure the street tires will drop the seat a bit but wonder if the link swap is worth while?
So far, I've only done a very short 15-minute test with them. I'm still recovering from my broken vertebra (it's been two and a half months and I should have wait at least 3 good months...).
But they feels very soft and sticky.
What do you mean by DR-IV ?

The best way to lower a bike is to revalve it internally. Using a lowering linkage kit alters the suspension's progression curve, affecting the bike's geometry and handling.
 

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So far, I've only done a very short 15-minute test with them. I'm still recovering from my broken vertebra (it's been two and a half months and I should have wait at least 3 good months...).
But they feels very soft and sticky.
What do you mean by DR-IV ?

The best way to lower a bike is to revalve it internally. Using a lowering linkage kit alters the suspension's progression curve, affecting the bike's geometry and handling.

Gotcha. That makes sense. I was worried about swapping out the linkage and it negatively changing the handling as once on the bike, I like how it rides.

DR-IV is the pirelli diablo rosso 4
 

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Entire world loved and still longs for the SXV.
This is my favorite version.
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Never seen that version. Wild. The engine was such a beast when it was running right but was prone to issues and there is one guy here in the states that everyone sends it to for rebuild. Also was a mess to do a catch can for the oil rebreather. Don’t miss all that stuff but it opened my eyes to the fun of a supermoto.
 

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Gotcha. That makes sense. I was worried about swapping out the linkage and it negatively changing the handling as once on the bike, I like how it rides.

DR-IV is the pirelli diablo rosso 4
I was scratching my head but I never would have guessed I think 😅
Never tried them.

I rode my old 1098 Streetfighter with SC tires. I tried Rosso Corsa, it's a good tire, but I had much more confidence with SC.
I once rode with corsa 2 or 3 (I can't remember exactly) on my 990 SDR until one day when I lost the rear in "mountain type" roads and since then I almost only put used SC.
 

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I did. I ordered wheels 17X5 and tires 160/60 ContiAttack SM2. I almost ordered Pirelli DR-IV as I'm a Pirelli guy after trying lots of different brands and models. Pirelli tires have been good to me on my bikes. I got this one with Pirelli from Stark. I'm still shocked how hard I can push this bike on these tires on the street and it only feels out of place above 60mph and then the slight imbalance gets noticeable.

FYR's bike is really clean and like his style. I did come across it when I was trying to figure out so of the options for street wheels a few months ago.

This was my SMX when I first got it. It was cool in pictures but in person, I just thought it was too loud so I just simply pulled off the graphics in a few places and it fit in more with what I was looking for.


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After some graphics delete and small mods
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This bike was fast and loud. Sounded like music to me but not all neighbors felt that way.

I was down to the final decision of buying a used SMX and electricfying it or buy the stark EX and sumo it. While the experience to do that would have been fun, pretty sure I’d spend similar money when factor cost of your time so you know the choice I made. No regrets so far. Maybe save the build for something like this

Hey Phantom, thank you for the 'nod' about my "style". It's appreciated ;)
 
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