AMA and Electric Motorcycles in AMA races

[B. FRANK]

I don't even like bracket racing....head to head or forget it. that's the meaning of racing, to find out who and what is the fastest or most powerful. classes just muddy things up(except age brackets). 125's, 85's, 250's, 300's, 450's, 650's, electrics, let em all run together. find out what's best under what conditions.

 

[Johnny Depp]

Less rules is better. Settle it on the racetrack.

 

[Johnny Depp]

I don't even like bracket racing....head to head or forget it. that's the meaning of racing, to find out who and what is the fastest or most powerful. classes just muddy things up(except age brackets). 125's, 85's, 250's, 300's, 450's, 650's, electrics, let em all run together. find out what's best under what conditions.

I’m not even a big fan of age. Group riders by skill.

 

[B. FRANK]

remember when abc's wide world of sports put on an event called the super bikers where drag bikes, road racers, flat trackers, tt racers and motocrossers all showed up and raced a half dirt/ half street track. inline 4 cylinders , parallel twins, v twins, singles, 2 strokes and 4 strokes, lowered bikes, stretched bikes all out to prove that their style of machine was the best and to everyones surprise the motocross bikes, the smallest engines with the slowest top speed, kicked butt and supermoto was born. a whole new discipline and a brand new style of bike was created because different types of bikes with different types of engines all got to play together and find out who is best at what. trying something different is good, that's how progress is made, and competition is the proving ground. I think most bikers now accept that it's not what you ride it's that you ride. when will the f.i.m. and the a.m.a. realize that? let us play together and maybe something else really cool will result.

 

[Johnny Depp]

remember when abc's wide world of sports put on an event called the super bikers where drag bikes, road racers, flat trackers, tt racers and motocrossers all showed up and raced a half dirt/ half street track. inline 4 cylinders , parallel twins, v twins, singles, 2 strokes and 4 strokes, lowered bikes, stretched bikes all out to prove that their style of machine was the best and to everyones surprise the motocross bikes, the smallest engines with the slowest top speed, kicked butt and supermoto was born. a whole new discipline and a brand new style of bike was created because different types of bikes with different types of engines all got to play together and find out who is best at what. trying something different is good, that's how progress is made, and competition is the proving ground. I think most bikers now accept that it's not what you ride it's that you ride. when will the f.i.m. and the a.m.a. realize that? let us play together and maybe something else really cool will result.

This 100%. As good as Stark is, there is much more to come and be addressed in the e-bike field. Weight and range and personal tuning all remain challenges. Gas bikes will be forced to get better, maybe more displacement, the return of big 2 Strokes, Works bikes from unknown companies (Tesla), automatic transmissions etc. Nothing could be better for the fans. Let it all be settled on the track, not the boardrooms and rule books.

 

[B. FRANK]

no way I am picking on Bryan Haskell, the first varg customer, but in one of his videos he lost the hole shot to a pro rider on a gasgas ice bike and that guy just walked away from Bryan. Bryan is a damn good rider, just not a pro. this shows that the bike is not that much of an advantage if a really good rider on a varg can be beaten by another rider on an ice bike. all respect to Bryan who is a better rider than I ever was or will be, just trying to make a point that a varg is not an unfair advantage.

 

[Theo]

Surely the rider is instrumental in winning a motocross race; someone says that in F1 and other motorsports it's the vehicle that matters the most and maybe that's true, but that principle doesn't hold good with MX.

IMO discussing this topic of electric bikes to be allowed vs gas bikes is important and after all that's pretty much what we can do, but motorcyclist associations should discuss it and then do something even more important: experiment, carefully. Here in Italy they let some Vargs to be raced in a certain middle/high level championship (from what I've understood) in order to see what would have happened and by the way those Vargs and their riders disappointed with their results, but apparently the Italian Motorcycling Federation has concluded that probably those bikes can compete against gas bikes: here is an article from their official website:
article, to be translated into English
Incidentally, Vargs have been raced multiple times outside the USA, so the AMA can already rely on those experiments made by others and IMO should try and gradually introduce electric bikes into their championships.

 

[Beagle]

Well the most telling professional competitions including electrics and ICE are certainly AX UK 2024 (won by Jack Brunnel on a Varg) and France SX Tour (Thomas Do raced all 2023 season around 4-6th place in SX2 but was not officially ranked, 2024 just started with 2 Varg riders in SX1 and another 2 in SX2). They should also probably line up in Aussie SX later this year.

In France there are Vargs racing pretty much all the time in MX regional leagues (plus the aforementioned 4 riders in pro SX).

In Italy, at the regional amateur level, Stefano Cimiotti is leading Motornext Nord Ovest MX1 Sport championship on a Varg so I'll say he's doing fine
He's posting his race footage on his YouTube channel, here is his latest race

PS: Johnny I'm sorry I'm already spending too much time on MX message boards but I'm pretty sure you could create another account to share your ideas on Vital yourself