Stark range video(s)

[rayivers]

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[Chaconne]

Are you running out of battery? I'm not wanting to compromise my riding style to recharge a battery I have yet to drain. I think some have proven the Regen to work going downhill, but I want to be in control of the brakes and momentum. Most riders are off throttle way more than on throttle. If you shut the throttle with Regen slowing you 20 ft before the corner, you have to reapply the throttle to make up that 20 ft. You should try it, it's more like a 2 stroke. With the chassis reacting to throttle vs Regen or braking it makes it more consistent and settle without the on off on off.

I don't run out of battery . I ride my bike in mostly trail, slow gnarl, and hard enduro typically 4 hours or less. I am not a fast MX track guy like you anymore.

 

[Johnny Depp]

I don't run out of battery . I ride my bike in mostly trail, slow gnarl, and hard enduro typically 4 hours or less. I am not a fast MX track guy like you anymore.

Nothing fast about my pace these days, but I do ride track and trails and do most of the jumps that aren’t too scary C skills.
Sometimes I instinctively try to stab the non existent rear brake pedal, and that’s the only time I’ve missed regen braking.

 

[Erwin P]

I'm not a very good rider but do tend to jump each and every tabletop i can find. For that 40% regen is magic.

 

[markhamr]

Yeagh i know I am copping it for being harsh.
Out in the real world only the tough survive.
I can roll the throttle and save power with a time penalty UGGGGH
and i think letting the bike roll instead of having more regain saves power
and makes the bike transition really well
I am way faster here than having to play gear selection and balance the bike into corners
makes passes easy to pull off too(something e bikes are very good at)
The bikes not that far off.
I would probably be bleating about how crap stink engine bikes are
if the bike was 13 1/2 pounds lighter off the top of that battery.
ie the stock advertised weight.
It is not about being fast.
We just need a reliable bike that can get through the day with no fuss.
For the average rider(not paid professionals) so that we can replace some races with emx.

 

[Erwin P]

The local MX races here can be done with the Stark.
Here the format often is:
85 (10-15 minutes)
125 (15-20)
250 (15-25)
500 (15-25)
Repeat.
It will do the range and in between your 2 sessions within either 250 or 500 (48 or 60hp) you can pretty easy charge the bike.
The bike is the advertised weight. But putting in other tubes will change that pretty quick.
So far after some startup issues my bike and those of the local Stark riders i know have on average been way more reliable than any ICE competition.

 

[Beagle]

No problem for pros racing 30 min motos in France nor Canada. 6th in France Elite MX championship is some serious proof of concept.

They're likely using the EX battery but if you're 10% slower than pros that shouldn't really matter that much.

See this thread AMA and Electric Motorcycles in AMA races

 

[Erwin P]

Yeah but the pro's can swap battery's in between 2 races. 99%+ of the amatures can't.
But at least in the Dutch format it's plenty doable.

 

[Beagle]

Yeah but the pro's can swap battery's in between 2 races. 99%+ of the amatures can't.
But at least in the Dutch format it's plenty doable.

Agreed, it was more a comment about range.

Charging does depend on race day schedule, although Herbreteau said he was switching batteries for convenience (which is not an affordable option for amateurs indeed), he said he would also have plenty of time to recharge between motos (in Elite MX there are about 3 h between practice and race 1, and 2.5 h between the end of race 1 and start of race 2).

 

[markhamr]

absolute b/s erwin
If you like ill bet my cattle station the bike is WAY OVERWEIGHT
as against the 118 kgs advertised weight.
Anybody else weighed there bike????
I would change battery;s or another bike even.
You can not change bikes and i do not have a team to change my battery during lunch.
As i said to the dealer ,
If the bikes any good I will be back for another one
IT IS NOT.
Yes beagle it is the format that is the problem.
I would need it to be over 2 days so i can charge the thing.
I have moved to a 14th front sprocket
The bike seems way better and I will range test it in the weekend.
That will not help the 13 1/2 pounds 6.2 kgs it is overweight.
Are you talking about the FIM limit erwin(123kgs) or the 124.2 kgs mine weighs
as opposed to the 118 kg advertised weight>

 

[Erwin P]

Oke yours weighs 124.2 kg. You said in another tread you placed other tubes before you weighted it. Just weigh those tubes and Stark ones. That 6.2kg might be very explainable. Mine is now also around 125kg. But i even placed handguards and a mousse in the rear because i like that better in jumping (removes the need to use the brakes to correct). I do not mind the extra weight since it hides it so well and i come from Enduro's wich are heavy'er to start with, my Beta 300 sits at 116 fuelled. And a half full tank is even "heavier" due to free fluids.

If i understand correctly there is plenty of time between sessions, but you are not allowed to charge it? That seems like very much a regulations issue. An ICE that is not allowed to refuel is also quite worthless in that regard.
Here we are allowed to charge it. Often the generator is not allowed in the pit but lucky for us we have an invention called the extension cord. That way in between races there is plenty time to charge.

 

[markhamr]

With one regular tube in the front
over 124 kg.
Butyl standard lightweight maxis not a heavy duty tube.
stock tyres,
I run a guts seat cover standard foam not a wing cover.
No sticker kit either and nothing else.
It is a original mx1
I am not talking 2 kgs here it was 6kgs stock
As i have stated i do not care about the rest of the
problems that is part of the journey.
Try telling max it is only 6kgs.Maybe the later bikes are lighter.
Mine was advertised at 118 though.
Pity because I think my bike would really rip if it came at the advertised weight.

 

[Beagle]

absolute b/s erwin
If you like ill bet my cattle station the bike is WAY OVERWEIGHT
as against the 118 kgs advertised weight.
Anybody else weighed there bike????
I would change battery;s or another bike even.
You can not change bikes and i do not have a team to change my battery during lunch.
As i said to the dealer ,
If the bikes any good I will be back for another one
IT IS NOT.
Yes beagle it is the format that is the problem.
I would need it to be over 2 days so i can charge the thing.
I have moved to a 14th front sprocket
The bike seems way better and I will range test it in the weekend.
That will not help the 13 1/2 pounds 6.2 kgs it is overweight.
Are you talking about the FIM limit erwin(123kgs) or the 124.2 kgs mine weighs
as opposed to the 118 kg advertised weight>

Hurray for extension cords!

There is no "FIM weight limit of 123 kg", it merely existed briefly, for a couple of months, specifically in the technical rules for the first rounds of FIM Superenduro 2024-2025 championship. It was never applied to any other competition and was set at 117 kg on January 27th 2025.

Copy and paste of previous answer:

Mate you've been posting all over this supposedly "123 kg FIM minimum weight", just so you know it has only been introduced specifically for FIM Superenduro as a preemptive penalty to limit the Varg supposed technical advantage over ICE. Initially they were also limited to 48 hp and there were talks about limiting torque as well.

This was way over the top and has been relaxed 3 times during the competition, final technical rules for electrics were:
minimum weight 117 kg an no power limit

2025_3_SuperEnduro Electric EOT-BOP_27.01.2025 | FIM​

www.fim-moto.com

 

[Beagle]

It is indeed a couple kilos extra compared to advertised, 120.4 kg instead of 118 kg.

Dirt Bike Weight Comparison - with Examples

How much does a dirt bike weigh, ready to ride? Comparing modern enduro bikes weight. Each dirt bike is weighed with a full tank of fuel, full fluids, and with no aftermarket parts

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I'll say a couple extra kilos is nothing out of the ordinary but you seem so obsessed about it, why don't you compare all the measured weights of motorcycles on this page with their advertised weight and come back with a nice spreadsheet?

 

[Erwin P]

It is indeed a couple kilos extra compared to advertised, 120.4 kg instead of 118 kg.

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Dirt Bike Weight Comparison - with Examples

How much does a dirt bike weigh, ready to ride? Comparing modern enduro bikes weight. Each dirt bike is weighed with a full tank of fuel, full fluids, and with no aftermarket parts

dirtbikechannel.com

I'll say a couple extra kilos is nothing out of the ordinary but you seem so obsessed about it, why don't you compare all the measured weights of motorcycles on this page with their advertised weight and come back with a nice spreadsheet?

According to that website all of those OEM's are filthy lyers.

Every brand is off since so many buyers specsheet warriors. Thus they weigh the bike at the bone minimum weight. Look for the lightest parts etc etc.

The Japanese Allroad's are the worst there. Dry meant without tyres and battery. The weight of a Transalp for example was a casual 20kg off (was a tad more but forgot the exact number).

My Stark was 118 kg (i believe a couple of hundreds grams more but 118 close enough).

 

[markhamr]

THE BIKE IS OVERWEIGHT STOCK
6kgs more than advertised.
End of story.