Stark varg support is the worst

[markhamr]

I agree if you like slow trail riding for short periods of time the stark is the go for sure.(joke)
a bit like saying a 450 is unreliable its a thousand times more reliable than a stark.
My 450s have never missed a beat in years.
I am still over the fan boys saying there better ,
they are not full stop.
Read the first line again and try not to cry this time lol.
With thousands of race wins world wide in the last year a 450 still rules \
or maybe try winning this race

 

[Chaconne]

I agree if you like slow trail riding for short periods of time the stark is the go for sure.(joke)
a bit like saying a 450 is unreliable its a thousand times more reliable than a stark.
My 450s have never missed a beat in years.
I am still over the fan boys saying there better ,
they are not full stop.
Read the first line again and try not to cry this time lol.
With thousands of race wins world wide in the last year a 450 still rules \
or maybe try winning this race

I no longer own YZ450s they were my goto from 2013-2019. Also owned multiple yz250fs from the earliest 2001. Also owned a few RMs and CRFs over that period as well. But I don't ride on tracks much any longer. Still own a WR450f and a KTM 300 2T. I have a pretty good handle on the strengths and weaknesses of a modern 4T and I am a fan as well. But the modern 4T is built for motocross tracks even in its reconfigs like FX or WR they have limitations.

Most of the manufacturers were so unconcerned about off moto riding they didn't even ship fans on the alternative 4T models like FX. The KTM 350f & 450fs modified (like X-country) versions were unridable for years and would overheat terribly. People hated those machines you'd spend over 10,000 US and damn thing couldn't even idle in the driveway to tune it. The Honda CRF450x is 275lbs so it is has been a fat pig for generations now. They are the premier motorcycle manufacturer and that is what they deliver?

Outside of moto the 450 is not really customer friendly. People complain about Stark and much is justified but then will accept shit from the major manufacturers. The RMF450 is pretty much the same bike is was in 2016. I always loved the Zuke as a rider but come on man no improvements in years if Roczen wins SX this year that goddam bike will still have a kickstart. And it is heavy as shit.

On a moto track I am all in on 450fs and agree with you but I don't ride moto anymore. 3 hours in hard gnarl is doable with the Stark. Most of us can't ride like Taddy it is the right weapon for a job the big guys pretty much don't give a shit about.

 

[markhamr]

Again really n why are we comparing the stark with a 30 year old japanese bike.
Apart from the stark being that heavy it feels like one.
I never had one problem with any of them..
Some manufactures deliver bikes that are way over weight have party balloons on the wheels and a interface from before the 364 was invented
besides all the other faults read the forums here .the battery lasts for 25 minutes
i like the banter though..
Scroll up to that vid it is only 2 hrs each way (hard knarl)

 

[DaveAusNor]

Still own a WR450f and a KTM 300 2T

I love your selection of bikes. If I had room for more bikes these are the 2 others I would have. I used to ride trails back in Aus and had to turn off my WR450 at traffic lights I hit heading out or coming home, otherwise it would overheat fast.