Electric motocross survey: questions for Stark Varg riders

gewoontim · May 19, 2025

Hi all!

Currently I am doing a research project on the current state of electric motocross bikes. Part of this project is to gather the feedback of Stark owners and identify any potential improvements that could be made to the Varg or other electric motocross bikes.

For this I am asking if you would like to fill in this survey: https://forms.gle/MYHgmi3jwdP1nrZh7. It is a short survey that won't take more than 5 minutes and would give a lot of relevant insights! After the results are in I will make a short summary of the results and share them with you in this thread.

Thanks in advance!

Erwin P · May 20, 2025

I take it you're familiar with the Dutch OTR season? I would love to do that on the Stark, however my MX is not street legal and the EX would maybe do it. However with the charge time as is its a bit of a stretch.

Were the battery swappable enough (kinda is) AND the battery be chargeable outside the bike i would love to buy an extra battery.

markhamr · May 20, 2025

I need the range a spare more easily swappable would bring to run mx
amateur rider

markhamr · May 20, 2025

obvious but it is too f heavy

Erwin P · May 20, 2025

I would take up to 10kg heavier for extra range.

Philip · May 20, 2025

I would like 30 lbs less weight and 4 kWh quickly swappable batteries.

Those who prefer more range or 100 hp, should be allowed to run 2 batteries.

Beagle · May 20, 2025

Is this where we write our letter to Santa Claus?
I would like a dual sport with onboard charger and maximum range for 150 kg.
Thank you!

Erwin P · May 20, 2025

Funny how wildly different the wishes are.

Beagle · May 20, 2025

Erwin P said:
Funny how wildly different the wishes are.

I must say swappable battery and standalone charging would be very interesting. Flux is going this way.

rs911 · Saturday at 2:21 AM

What I would like first is traction control and a way to adjust the throttle as I always put quick turn throttle on my bikes.
Then a compact and lightweight charger, let's say 1kw, and an ultra-lightweight module to be able to use DC EV chargers.

Swappable battery would be better for enduro and mx competitors.
While this doesn't really bother me, everyone would benefit from less weight (especially for shorter and lighter people) and more range, but that will come in the next 10 years with better technology.

DaveAusNor · Tuesday at 1:12 AM

markhamr said:
obvious but it is too f heavy

The weight of the bike is fine for a full size dirt bike. For smaller, lighter riders maybe a mid size bike would be better.

markhamr · 2025-05-29T01:07:46-0700

the bikes way to heavy making in unsuitable for racing at all
so is the range and charging
apart from all the other problems
my bikes 45lb heavier than my 450 with gas in it
starks just a novelty joke bike

Chaconne · 2025-05-29T06:00:12-0700

markhamr said:
the bikes way to heavy making in unsuitable for racing at all
so is the range and charging
apart from all the other problems
my bikes 45lb heavier than my 450 with gas in it
starks just a novelty joke bike

A Yam WR450f is about 270lbs with gas the YZ450f is about 240 (and about the same as the 2025 KTM 450 SX-F). I am guessing you have reduced the weight of your 450 with after markets. The Austrian bikes seem to be gaining weight over the past 3 years. The Stark would have a ways to go to match your 450.

What I am hoping for is that Stark goes cutting edge and makes a solid state battery available ASAP for the Varg including replacable for the current offering. This would potentially reduce weight, increase range, and eliminate some of the heat/cold conditions that plague wet batteries.

It would be great if Stark could make arrangements with one of the early development companies and get SS batteries out ahead of most other vehicles and bring back the idea of off-road machines leading the charge on next gen tech rather than following along as an after thought.

markhamr · 2025-05-29T06:49:52-0700

I am just hoping they address the obvious problems
weight
i am over the comparisons
truth is the huskys a lot easier to ride for a fun day out
my 450s stock to the bone
same scales 23 model
on roller tracks and when its tight the starks easier
down and dirty the clutch bike rules and fast high speed
3 ltrs of fuel would get the stark into saving power mode
a aftermarket battery that dropped 6 kgs off it would be heaven
so its the weight it was supposed to be stock
it takes 2 minutes to recharge the husky
i could do a crank rebuild while im waiting for the stark to charge

Beagle · 2025-05-29T08:10:27-0700

Chaconne said:
A Yam WR450f is about 270lbs with gas the YZ450f is about 240 (and about the same as the 2025 KTM 450 SX-F). I am guessing you have reduced the weight of your 450 with after markets. The Austrian bikes seem to be gaining weight over the past 3 years. The Stark would have a ways to go to match your 450.

What I am hoping for is that Stark goes cutting edge and makes a solid state battery available ASAP for the Varg including replacable for the current offering. This would potentially reduce weight, increase range, and eliminate some of the heat/cold conditions that plague wet batteries.

It would be great if Stark could make arrangements with one of the early development companies and get SS batteries out ahead of most other vehicles and bring back the idea of off-road machines leading the charge on next gen tech rather than following along as an after thought.

The big players have been investing in solid state batteries for so long, I don't see how a startup like Stark could get them ahead of Toyota or Honda that have been pouring millions in this for so many years.
For sure it will be nice, maybe we can expect a solid state electric motorcycle 2 to 5 years after we see the first solid state batteries in cars.
Hybrids are not too far but solid state aren't ready.

Erwin P · 2025-05-29T08:46:55-0700

Lets also not forget that with new tech comes start up problems.

WoodsWeapon · 2025-05-29T09:03:38-0700

I don’t know why all the complaint about the bikes weight? 2 minutes of research time would have clearly educated you.

DaveAusNor · 2025-05-29T11:02:00-0700

WoodsWeapon said:
I don’t know why all the complaint about the bikes weight? 2 minutes of research time would have clearly educated you.

I agree. The weight is fine too. Bike feels lighter than my last 250 and is certainly lighter than my last 450F. If you're having trouble with its weight, get stronger or stop falling off

Chaconne · 2025-05-29T15:49:50-0700

Beagle said:
The big players have been investing in solid state batteries for so long, I don't see how a startup like Stark could get them ahead of Toyota or Honda that have been pouring millions in this for so many years.
For sure it will be nice, maybe we can expect a solid state electric motorcycle 2 to 5 years after we see the first solid state batteries in cars.
Hybrids are not too far but solid state aren't ready.

Ya agreed. But Stark would require a much lower volume, and have a faster to market commercial test bed, and also and lower regulation threshold. On top of that proven early adopters. So it wouldn't be so much about the market as a big volume win for the battery house but exposure and test in a real environment. Especially for one of the startups who will not survive long without a ace card once the big guys take over.

Chaconne · 2025-05-29T16:14:05-0700

markhamr said:
I am just hoping they address the obvious problems
weight
i am over the comparisons
truth is the huskys a lot easier to ride for a fun day out
my 450s stock to the bone
same scales 23 model
on roller tracks and when its tight the starks easier
down and dirty the clutch bike rules and fast high speed
3 ltrs of fuel would get the stark into saving power mode
a aftermarket battery that dropped 6 kgs off it would be heaven
so its the weight it was supposed to be stock
it takes 2 minutes to recharge the husky
i could do a crank rebuild while im waiting for the stark to charge

Fair enough. I don't ride my Stark like you do for me it is mostly slow gnarl & hard enduro. The Stark is better overall than my KTM 300 2T for the terrain I ride and the KTM is considered a good weapon for that.

Agree on aftermarket battery. It is too bad Stark couldn't have designed an easy swapping fastener system so batteries could be swapped out readily. I am guessing they are working on something like that for soon release. If they don't the Chinese will delivering a Stark killer at some point soon.

The Europeans can win the innovation and early adoption markets but not volume production. Stark needs to keep innovating or they will be the next in a long line of Maicos.

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