Stark Varg SM

Karinshi said:

Yes, agree 100%. Nothing is gonna affect the bike so serious by just mounting SM wheels on the EX or MX, and t seems like i work for them, helping others by giving them information, it feels like i'm customer support. I take and upload a lot of photos and videos on instagram, free advertising content for them, haha. In fact, 10 photos they've uploaded to Instagram in the community posts are mine. I'm not trying to brag, but they've uploaded more of my photos than anyone else. They're clever, they advertise themselves for free using other people's photos. Also, I make a living from photography and videos, so I do it with pleasure.

On this Stark post the first image is mine, and you can see a lot with my name on the tag "Karin Tosco" Stark Future on Instagram: "Every month we take a moment to share the rides that keep our community moving. Here’s what some of you have been up to lately on your Vargs. Got photos or clips you want to share? Tag us or send them in, we’re always keen to see where the rides take you! #starkvarg #electricmx #mxcommunity #enduro #rideelectric"

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Indeed. But they also take quite good care of any problem i contact them about.

And i hope they sell a ton of EX's. I need a young shortly used one at a reduced price

Erwin P said:

Indeed. But they also take quite good care of any problem i contact them about.

And i hope they sell a ton of EX's. I need a young shortly used one at a reduced price

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No doubt they take care, some people say they are terrible but thats life

Maybe i can buy one for you at my country, 60hp its 10.800€. In mainland Spain 60hp is 13.050€. We have very low taxes, come here and we ride together when you receive it! Tenerife is the dream!

I dont think is possible to find a used 60hp for less than 9k right now, maybe in a couple of months or a year but for 10.800 you have a NEW one here... i think my country have the cheapest Vargs

Most issues i see with customer support is just really poor description of the issue. Hard to proper diagnose an issue when the spoken launguage is ''idiot''.

Haha importing is the issue. Needs to be above 6000km and 6 months old otherwise it's the full 21% VAT AND something we call BPM. I was looking into importing but that is way more expensive than the €1000 Spain is cheaper

Karinshi said:

i dont even know anymore... on Galfer website says that the D606SM is for the REAR not the FRONT. The FRONT is the D607 for the Stark according with Galfer, doesnt makes sense to me anyway. Look at my above post with the screenshots

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The DF606SM is a 320mm front rotor. All the 607's are rear rotors. I think they just transposed their numbers on the chart.

The DF606SM is 4.5mm thick, but the factory EX rotor is only 3.2mm thick according to Google AI. Is there any way to use that rotor on the EX?

EDIT: I just emailed Galfer and asked them if they have a 320mm setup for the front of an EX. I'll let you know what they say.

Border Dave said:

The DF606SM is a 320mm front rotor. All the 607's are rear rotors. I think they just transposed their numbers on the chart.

The DF606SM and it is 4.5mm thick, but the factory EX rotor is only 3.2mm thick according to Google AI. Is there any way to use that rotor on the EX?

EDIT: I just emailed Galfer and asked them if they have a 320mm setup for the front of an EX. I'll let you know what they say.

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i have this exact one:

Disco de Freno Delantero Flame KTM EXC / SX (260 mm)

i dont know how thick it is but is thicker than the stock one and it fits with no problem
is the 260mm version but it should have the same thickness than the 320mm, maybe im wrong

Karinshi said:

the Stark disc has an offset

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looking on Starks site, you're right. Don't buy it from Stark then for your EX, it won't fit. Buy the DF606SM, that's the one I got and its about 2/3rd of the price.

Border Dave said:

So, is the DF606SM rotor is compatible with the EX? If so, which adapter would I use?

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Yes, This is the disc I ordered. I got the KTM brembo spacer. part number 77013914000. The disc is 4.5mm while the stock is 3mm so there was a little rub on the caliper spacer at first. I shimmed the wheel 1mm away from the disc side fork, but eventually removed approx 0.5mm of material from the caliper spacer where the disc rubbed.

DaveAusNor said:

Yes, This is the disc I ordered. I got the KTM brembo spacer. part number 77013914000. The disc is 4.5mm while the stock is 3mm so there was a little rub on the caliper spacer at first. I shimmed the wheel 1mm away from the disc side fork, but eventually removed approx 0.5mm of material from the caliper spacer where the disc rubbed.

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After reading your post, I did a little research. It appears the KTM 320mm disc is 4mm thick. I’m assuming their caliper adapter bracket is made for that thickness of rotor. That’s probably why your brake pad (left pad?) rubbed on your 4.5mm thick disc. I’m guessing that if you had used the KTM rotor you would not have had any rubbing.

If that’s true, Galfer probably made their caliper adapter adapter bracket (part# SP066) to work with their thicker 4.5mm disc so that the pad won’t rub, meaning it probably spaces the caliper out (to the left) an additional .5mm over the KTM part.

I’ve made a couple assumptions there. What do ya’ll think of my logic?

Edit: Basically, I’m guessing if your disc and caliper adapter bracket are the same brand, you shouldn’t have any problems with uneven rubbing of the brake pads.

I think i found the exact same disc of the unboxing video

is not the same as the one they sell on web

It's 4mm thick

i have to find it on some store, been searching for a while no luck at the moment

Border Dave said:

What do ya’ll think of my logic?

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sounds solid to me.

UPDATE

Got an update from Stark regarding OEM SM Wheels and Rotor:

My dealer already has the SM in stock.
He was amazing to work with when I got my EX. Check the bike out @loar_motorcycles on insta

Galfer emailed me back and said the DF606SM with the SP066 bracket will work with the EX.

Had the chance to test drive the varg sm this weekend. Brand new one, 0km.

I have an EX converted to sm myself, now driven for +/- 55hrs.

My SM converted EX:


First of, the 140 tire in the back on the new varg sm is really skinny.
And with the tires beeing brand new and the road not completely dry it was sketchy.
After some running in it felt better, but still missing my 160 rear tire.

It also felt like they programmed the throttle curve different.
I drove it on 50 and 60hp, and it felt way less responsive compared to my EX (with about the same gearing, EX: 14/46 - SM 15/47)
Maybe they adjusted the stock throttle curves? Down low it had significantly less response.

The steering on the SM felt really strange, maybe it takes some getting used to (but it shouldn't?).
My steering inputs didn't feel as connected as on my EX. Weird feeling. Maybe more stable yes, but felt not as responsive.
On my EX it feels great, except when going really fast the front wheel could start to become a little twitchy. But doable for sure.
Can be a personal opinion, but that is what I felt.

Shocks were okay, they are for sure much stiffer than on my EX, but still able to filter out small humps in the road to get a reasonable comfy ride.

The brakes. I was really eager to test the new front brake system.
Or they needed more break in time, or I didn't like them..
Less bite and feeling than on my current setup, maybe less fading when driving hard, but didn't had the chance to figure that out.

I also compared the side stands, same lenght and same bracket than on the EX. So it doesn't have much lean going on..
Comparable to when you mount 17" rims on the EX, but looked a tiny bit better (more lean), can't figure out why.

So for me it was a bit disappointing, but hey, now I don't regret getting the EX.
(also because from time to time I go back to offroad mode, would not be that easy with the new SM.)

I made a short vid of the new triple clamp, because I wanted to compare how they got the clearance to mount the wider triple without touching the carbon or body.


Hope this info is worth something to someone.

Best regards!
Proxx.

Good to hear I'll stick with my EX

Yep, i think overall the EX is more versatile... you can convert it to a decent supermoto with minor adjustements... if you are going to race profesionally thats another story but you get the point. Then you can go offroad with no problem, with the SM you are limited. If you want to be on the road 80% of the time or more go with the SM, if you want 50/50 then the EX can do the job...

The different throttle curve at least it can be adjustable with the advanced settings, but not nice to pay for that

Karinshi said:

Yep, i think overall the EX is more versatile... you can convert it to a decent supermoto with minor adjustements... if you are going to race profesionally thats another story but you get the point. Then you can go offroad with no problem, with the SM you are limited. If you want to be on the road 80% of the time or more go with the SM, if you want 50/50 then the EX can do the job...

The different throttle curve at least it can be adjustable with the advanced settings, but not nice to pay for that

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Correct, even when doing 80% onroad and 20% offroad, the EX is still looks to be the better choice.
Heck... for me even when I would ride 100% onroad, I still would like my converted EX more.

The reason I went to do a test drive is because I was thinking two things:
- I want to 'upgrade' my EX with the new/better SM parts
- Maybe if the varg SM would feel much better than my current sm converted ex, I would buy the SM and keep my EX purely for offroad.

But after the test drive it looks like I don't 'need' to spend money.
(I did buy the shorter front fender and the new surround for the arkenstone, yes it fits the ex.. same mount)