NEW! STARK VARG EX is here!

[Beagle]

A 125 enduro bike is about 3 times the legal power and registered correctly is not legal for A1

Ok so you meant to underline that the EX may be one of the only Enduro bike available for A1 riders?

 

[UKLee]

Ok so you meant to underline that the EX may be one of the only Enduro bike available for A1 riders?

No I ment to say what I said.........Sadly I don't think a 125 enduro bike is A1 legal, Not a pukka enduro bike any way. Something like the 4 stroke beta 125 trail bike is but that is a long way from a proper enduro bike.

Entries open for the welsh 2 day enduro tomorrow and it will fill in minutes, I very much doubt the stark EX will make the distances between refuelling points especially as the rider needs to keep up a decent pace to not lose time. Even if it did make it then what? only option I see is have a fully charged battery ready waiting for you at each of the 3 refuelling points but you would have to change it on your own as no assistance is allowed this is even if the organisers will allow you to mess with electric near to where 500 others are putting petrol in there bikes.

A bike that can not do an enduro is not an enduro bike.

Believe me I have looked in to this, I am getting old and passed it but I have 17 year old twins I would like to do some enduros/rallys with whilst I am still able but licence regulations mean it will be a few years before they can do it legally as most of these events use some public highway

 

[DaveAusNor]

Sorry mate, It's so confusing to read your response because you go off on multiple tangents.

1. Yes 125 enduro bikes can be A1 legal in Europe, EEA and the UK.
2. If you don't consider a 125 enduro bike a proper enduro bike, that's fine. I've seen enough people ripping on 125's to know they are more than capable.
3. Welsh 2 day enduro: I haven't looked into the rules but i'm sure if someone wants to make it work they will. Stark seems to have done fine against ICE bikes in other enduro event's

In trying to break down what you're saying, my understanding is that you are trying to say that the Stark isn't a proper enduro bike as it can't finish an enduro event and it won't be legally allowed to be registered as A1?
Part 1 of that is subjective and part 2 of that looks objectively wrong as they are being classified under A1 in the EU, regardless of how crazy that is.

 

[happyinmotion]

A bike that can not do an enduro is not an enduro bike.

Let's be a little more accurate.

A bike that can not do your enduro is not your enduro bike.

So this bike doesn't meet your particular requirement. The rest of us are having fun on our bikes.

 

[Bosch]

L3e-A1 = Low Power Motorcycle
To meet the low power:
Engine capacity ≤ 125 cm3
Maximum continuous rated or net power ≤ 11 kW and power/weight ratio ≤ 0,1 kW/kg.

In order to be classified as Enduro:
Seat height ≥ 900 mm and
Ground clearance ≥ 310 mm
Overall gear ratio in highest gear (primary gear ratio × secondary gear ratio in the highest speed × final drive ratio) ≥ 6,0
Mass in running order plus the mass of the propulsion battery in case of electric or hybrid electric propulsion ≤ 140 kg
No seating position for a passenger.

 

[lukambar765@gm]

Yo there's a guy in germany that got his hands on one, they are already being delivered to europe

 

[Tihver]

In an interview, Anton said that by the time the first buyers receive their bikes, the option to order spare parts for the EX model will be available on the website. The first bikes has now arrived, but there is nothing about EX parts on the website.

 

[Beagle]

They're pretty good at this

Now, upgraded kickstand is fine but where is the vid about adjustable power curves?

 

[UKLee]

Sorry mate, It's so confusing to read your response because you go off on multiple tangents.

1. Yes 125 enduro bikes can be A1 legal in Europe, EEA and the UK.
2. If you don't consider a 125 enduro bike a proper enduro bike, that's fine. I've seen enough people ripping on 125's to know they are more than capable.
3. Welsh 2 day enduro: I haven't looked into the rules but i'm sure if someone wants to make it work they will. Stark seems to have done fine against ICE bikes in other enduro event's

In trying to break down what you're saying, my understanding is that you are trying to say that the Stark isn't a proper enduro bike as it can't finish an enduro event and it won't be legally allowed to be registered as A1?
Part 1 of that is subjective and part 2 of that looks objectively wrong as they are being classified under A1 in the EU, regardless of how crazy that is.

"1. Yes 125 enduro bikes can be A1 legal in Europe, EEA and the UK." It is over 11kw so not possible, yes there underhanded ways of doing it but if an insurance assessor gets on to it the insurance will be void.

"2. If you don't consider a 125 enduro bike a proper enduro bike, that's fine. I've seen enough people ripping on 125's to know they are more than capable." Not at all you miss understud me there a 125 can be as fast as anything in the right hands/conditions.

"3. Welsh 2 day enduro: I haven't looked into the rules but i'm sure if someone wants to make it work they will. Stark seems to have done fine against ICE bikes in other enduro event's" If it will not do the miles between the refuelling points 45/50 miles from memory at a good pace it will not do it, you are not going to get around that or not within the rules any way, swapping the battery at refuelling points you would have to ask the organisers about but as the event fills up in minutes why would they want the extra headache? Maybe if stark became a major sponsor.

 

[UKLee]

Let's be a little more accurate.

A bike that can not do your enduro is not your enduro bike.

So this bike doesn't meet your particular requirement. The rest of us are having fun on our bikes.

It is not MY enduro it is a classic enduro that has been running for many years along with many other time card enduros that require a good fuel range to allow the event to get further out in to the real enduro terrain.

 

[UKLee]

They're pretty good at this

Now, upgraded kickstand is fine but where is the vid about adjustable power curves?

I challenge any one to quote any sentence anton wass spouted that can not be shot down.

 

[DaveAusNor]

"1. Yes 125 enduro bikes can be A1 legal in Europe, EEA and the UK." It is over 11kw so not possible, yes there underhanded ways of doing it but if an insurance assessor gets on to it the insurance will be void.

"2. If you don't consider a 125 enduro bike a proper enduro bike, that's fine. I've seen enough people ripping on 125's to know they are more than capable." Not at all you miss understud me there a 125 can be as fast as anything in the right hands/conditions.

"3. Welsh 2 day enduro: I haven't looked into the rules but i'm sure if someone wants to make it work they will. Stark seems to have done fine against ICE bikes in other enduro event's" If it will not do the miles between the refuelling points 45/50 miles from memory at a good pace it will not do it, you are not going to get around that or not within the rules any way, swapping the battery at refuelling points you would have to ask the organisers about but as the event fills up in minutes why would they want the extra headache? Maybe if stark became a major sponsor.

Ah I see the confusion. It's 9kW continuous. Therefor less than 11 and therefore A1.


For electric motorcycles, the continuous power output is measured based on the ECE R85 standard. This means:

• The power is measured as the average output over 30 minutes of continuous operation.
• It’s not based on peak power, but rather a sustained output that the motor can handle without overheating.

So, an electric motorcycle might have a higher peak power, but as long as its 30-minute continuous power stays at or below 11 kW, it qualifies for A1.