SOP is "Start of production"... we can see that the top bikes will get released before the below ones... i count 8 bikes, good things coming!
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I see 8 bikes but 9 lines and definitely 7 lines not already in production, presumably SM, Älg, Lo, Gimli, Freeride, ATV... +1?
More info in this Anton Wass interview
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Road bikes should be launched in a couple of years
Target performance is 300 km range and "10 min charge" (not that unrealistic as detailed on previous page, there are already commercial cells chargeable at 5 C, translating to 13 min to full charge).
I'm loving his answer about solid state batteries, it starts like this "I think solid-state has become a marketing word. It will take a very long time before we really see some fully solid-state batteries, if ever.[...]"
Fully agree with this one about OEMs, explaining why it's so hard for legacy OEMs to catch up to EV market leaders
"I think that many of them are hoping that electric is not the future. Some of them think it could be the future, but they don’t know when. And many of these companies have not been innovative in maybe 40 years.[...]"
Stark Future’s CEO Anton Wass on How Electric Can Beat ICE
Stark Future CEO Anton Wass reveals the company’s intention to enter the streetbike market. Will it see the same success as it has had off-road?
www.cycleworld.com
Road bikes should be launched in a couple of years
Target performance is 300 km range and "10 min charge" (not that unrealistic as detailed on previous page, there are already commercial cells chargeable at 5 C, translating to 13 min to full charge).
I'm loving his answer about solid state batteries, it starts like this "I think solid-state has become a marketing word. It will take a very long time before we really see some fully solid-state batteries, if ever.[...]"
Fully agree with this one about OEMs, explaining why it's so hard for legacy OEMs to catch up to EV market leaders
"I think that many of them are hoping that electric is not the future. Some of them think it could be the future, but they don’t know when. And many of these companies have not been innovative in maybe 40 years.[...]"
“If I tried to sell you an electric bike that was twice the price, half the power, and 50% higher weight, with less range [than a combustion-engined equivalent], would you buy it? No. If I sold you a bike that had more power, the same range, less weight, and charged as fast as you can fill a fuel tank, would you consider buying that? That’s the answer to your question. I don’t think it’s about people wanting electric—they want a better product.”
I think Anton has gone a bit too far here. It takes a maximum of 1 minute to fill a gas tank. I don't think you can charge a battery in 1 minute, and even if you can, it's not healthy for the battery; it will degrade very quickly.
Overall the interview was very interesting, this part in particular: "We will see a massive increase in energy density in the next few years, but it doesn’t have to come from solid-state. I think it will come from simply improved chemistry and composition of the cells.”
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CATL have announced their next generation of Shenxing cells will do 12C, so that's five minutes.
BYD are claiming 10C for their next generation cells.
Even if those claims are bold, it's pretty clear that charging rates are improving very rapidly. A five minute charge in a couple of years is looking pretty feasible. Given the time it takes to buy snacks and go for a piss, I think most people will be very happy with five minutes. I don't think one minute is really that much of an advantage over five.
That does mean you need to have a 100 kW charger handy. So that's not going to be off a generator. Hell, the power supply to my whole house is only 45 kVA and that's a pretty fat pipe for a residence.
BYD are claiming 10C for their next generation cells.
Even if those claims are bold, it's pretty clear that charging rates are improving very rapidly. A five minute charge in a couple of years is looking pretty feasible. Given the time it takes to buy snacks and go for a piss, I think most people will be very happy with five minutes. I don't think one minute is really that much of an advantage over five.
That does mean you need to have a 100 kW charger handy. So that's not going to be off a generator. Hell, the power supply to my whole house is only 45 kVA and that's a pretty fat pipe for a residence.
Ultra fast charge is already a reality for cars, some can charge at 330 kW, that is 0-80% under 15 min for huge battery. Now if you think motorcycle battery (15 kWh instead of 90 kWh), with these cells that would only take a couple of minutes to go from 0 to 80%. Such cells aren't used for motorcycles at the moment but they already exist.
The motorcycle industry will not even need to lobby for fast charging infrastructure, they'll just piggyback on infrastructure pushed for cars in Europe and elsewhere. With 6 to 10 times smaller batteries (compared to cars), the charging times for bikes will be amazing!
Ultra fast charge removes the need for huge batteries, allowing to keep motorcycles relatively light. Maximum capacity would probably be about 20 kWh, Zero motorcycles claim 288 km "city range" and 172 km "highway commuting range" with its 17 kWh pack.
Fast charge is not intended for residential use, for motorcycles, charging at night will still be more than enough (standard European household outlet gives 3.8 kW, enough to completely charge 20 kWh battery under 6 h). Indeed with 45 kVA you have a lot of power, here the standard for residential is 6 KVA.
