Flux Performance - eMX startup from Europe

[Erwin P]

I'm not so sure about that. For the last few decades it was nearly impossible for small mfg's to build a bike that complied with regulations. However with E propulsion there are way less hurdles when it comes to emissions, sound etc.

So in my total inexperienced take there is more room than there has been for a century to build and sell bikes by small mfg's.

I would love to see some small company like yours go for the sky though. A bit like Stark does now outselling ''the big 4'' in MX land.

 

[Beagle]

As a small mfg we need to focus on becoming a big mfg, other players will come, you can count on every OEM having a bike for the eMXGP in 2026. There will be consolidation.
We need to swing for the fences, small garages retrofitting stuff won't be competitive in the new world. That's my take at least.

Would you be aiming for MXEP as well? I guess it could make wonders for brand awareness, especially for a startup ?

 

[Beagle]

Hadn't been paying attention to flux instagram for some time, great stuff

Development seems to be going well with talk about Primo 2.0 and aiming to start deliveries about a year from now.

FluxMoto on Instagram: "🚀 50% more power, 60% lighter, 70% smaller, 300x faster reaction speed! 🚀 Announcing our game changing new silicon carbide-based 5-in-1 inverter, developed fully by Flux. 500V and 250A peak provides more than enough power. I

292 likes, 44 comments - fluxmotorcycles on November 7, 2024: "🚀 50% more power, 60% lighter, 70% smaller, 300x faster reaction speed! 🚀 Announcing our game changing new silicon carbide-based 5-in-1 inverter, developed fully by Flux. 500V and 250A peak provides more than enough power. In the...

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And absolutely terrific photo

FluxMoto on Instagram: "Born from the dirt, to conquer it. Photo @janvelikonja Rider @lukamilec237 . . . . #FluxPerformance #offroad #ohlinsracing #KYB #Brembo #transportdesign #battery #electricvehicle #EV #digitalnomad #rideelectric #enduro #ve

166 likes, 15 comments - fluxmotorcycles on November 13, 2024: "Born from the dirt, to conquer it. Photo @janvelikonja Rider @lukamilec237 . . . . #FluxPerformance #offroad #ohlinsracing #KYB #Brembo #transportdesign #battery #electricvehicle #EV #digitalnomad #rideelectric #enduro...

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[Swank171]

Thought i would BUMP this thread. Just wondering how things are going. Seems some industry wide battery breakthroughs are happening!! I’m sure they are still too expensive to put into production but its always exciting to see what’s is coming!

 

[Marko_Flux]

Thought i would BUMP this thread. Just wondering how things are going. Seems some industry wide battery breakthroughs are happening!! I’m sure they are still too expensive to put into production but its always exciting to see what’s is coming!

Thanks for the bump!

We finally crossed a major barrier and will make an announcement soon, so good times ahead.

Battery breakthroughs are routinely oversold by the media to generate hype, in the real world there's no doubling of range on the cell level coming soon. Progress is relentless though, every 1-2 years there's a step forward. But we look at what we can do better than others on the same market, to have range advantages using the same cells.

Stay tuned!

 

[Beagle]

Looking good

FluxMoto on Instagram: "⚡Flux Primo Test Day at @mxparkmontagnana⚡ Riders first. ✊ Data second. 💻 Every lap gave us numbers — but the real value came from your throttle, your comments and your instincts. This is rider driven development in action an

113 likes, 20 comments - fluxmotorcycles on May 5, 2025: "⚡Flux Primo Test Day at @mxparkmontagnana⚡ Riders first. ✊ Data second. 💻 Every lap gave us numbers — but the real value came from your throttle, your comments and your instincts. This is rider driven development in action and we’re...

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[Theo]

@Marko_Flux: I've noticed a mistake in your website: the battery capacity is stated as 7,9 kWh and not 7.9 kWh. I tend to make the same mistake since in Italy, too we use commas as decimal separators.

Now you just have to travel a little more westward to Ottobiano and bring a Primo SM with you, so you can teach those knee dragging younger generations how it's done! Remember the good old times?

 

[Marko_Flux]

@Marko_Flux: I've noticed a mistake in your website: the battery capacity is stated as 7,9 kWh and not 7.9 kWh. I tend to make the same mistake since in Italy, too we use commas as decimal separators.

Now you just have to travel a little more westward to Ottobiano and bring a Primo SM with you, so you can teach those knee dragging younger generations how it's done! Remember the good old times?
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Depends on who you ask, in Europe it's comma, in the US it's dot. You knee-dragging, front-only-braking kids definitely need to get it sideways a bit more, life is too short to not be backing it in

 

[Beagle]

Depends on who you ask, in Europe it's comma, in the US it's dot. You knee-dragging, front-only-braking kids definitely need to get it sideways a bit more, life is too short to not be backing it in

Would that riding style be somewhat possible with an electric?

 

[Theo]

Would that riding style be somewhat possible with an electric?

Marko can surely explain it better or correct me, but here is what I do to drift:
1- I apply rear brake to squat the bike
2- a fraction of a second later, I apply the front brake, that I'll keep applied up to the apex of the corner, to keep the bike sideways
3- aggressive downshifting, like 2 or 3 gears one after the other, to have a lot of engine braking
4- hold two fingers on the clutch enough to have much engine braking but not so much to have chatter; the rear brake contributes but I don't lock the rear wheel because if it locks, I'll lose control. I have never used slipper cluthces
5- as the drift ends, I gradually release the clutch completely and start applying throttle again

Here is a video I recorded during a warmup lap in which you can clearly see that a drift happened without even touching the rear brake:

I guess that with an electric dirtbike you could potentially put it in a drift mode in which the rear wheel will have a precise amount of slippage and you don't even need to apply rear brake. I expect it to be easier than with ICEs, in general, if you can adjust regen braking.
To me, the regen braking of the Varg in the dirt feels too weak, though, to drift on asphalt.
The Primo has a sort of electronic clutch that behaves like a variable regen brake, which sounds even better for that purpose: @3:39

BTW it's a privilege to discuss drifting with Marko: how many of his videos I used to watch back then...

 

[Marko_Flux]

Theo you can try your luck with translation on an article I wrote a thousand years ago: Tehnika Slidinga: Kako počez??

Anyhow, yes and no. The motor gears bring a minimum speed component that isn’t present with a constant regen brake. We have a minimum spin speed that works great off-road, but doesn't work well at all speeds in SM. If you have wheel speed sensing on the front, it's relatively easy, you're chasing a slip % between the wheels, which can be a variable component maybe on the regen lever (sort of like a hybrid speed control alongside the baseline torque control). Generally wheel speed sensing at the front is prohibited in off-road racing (SM included), at least by the FIM. Maybe a reverse flywheel effect, combined with some speed control component, I don't know yet. TLDR, there's some work to be done.

Now track SM is very low on the market size list for these bikes, consequently also on the priority list, BUT...given my background, you can consider this my passion project and I will work on making it work.

 

[Beagle]

Theo you can try your luck with translation on an article I wrote a thousand years ago: Tehnika Slidinga: Kako počez??

Anyhow, yes and no. The motor gears bring a minimum speed component that isn’t present with a constant regen brake. We have a minimum spin speed that works great off-road, but doesn't work well at all speeds in SM. If you have wheel speed sensing on the front, it's relatively easy, you're chasing a slip % between the wheels, which can be a variable component maybe on the regen lever (sort of like a hybrid speed control alongside the baseline torque control). Generally wheel speed sensing at the front is prohibited in off-road racing (SM included), at least by the FIM. Maybe a reverse flywheel effect, combined with some speed control component, I don't know yet. TLDR, there's some work to be done.

Now track SM is very low on the market size list for these bikes, consequently also on the priority list, BUT...given my background, you can consider this my passion project and I will work on making it work.

Thanks for your detailed answer. I would assume Enduro market is much larger than MX in turn much larger than supermoto.
Would you have any ballpark figures for those? IIRC O'Neal CEO quoted about 80k annual MX sales worldwide.

 

[Theo]

Theo you can try your luck with translation on an article I wrote a thousand years ago: Tehnika Slidinga: Kako počez??

I'm pretty sure I've already read it some years ago. It's one of the few reliable guides about how to drift that I've found.

Please keep us posted about the development of the regen braking control!