NEW! STARK VARG EX is here!

[Bpspecs]

No rumors yet, but I expect it will happen sometime mid-2025.
Curious what parts of the EX you want for MX? The bigger battery? Or perhaps the new modes? Everything about the EX is focused on offroad riding; not MX. So besides stripping the lights and changing rear wheel and tire, one would have to go in and completely overhaul the suspension springs and valving for MX. And, the EX frame is made to be more compliant for enduro rather than the MX-specific flex. I submit you are not really getting anything substantial by selling an MX to buy an EX to then update the EX to MX specs. If you don't own a Varg, seems like same answer. Buy a current Varg MX for $11,000 and ride it rather than buying EX for $14,000 then throwing another $2k - $3 at the suspension and wheels. Or, wait for the Varg MX to get the same updates. Can't be too far out. I suspect they will update the MX sometime next summer as soon as current inventory is sold out and the part bins are empty of current Varg MX parts. Who knows. They may even announce it over the winter and those that ordered MX now for next year delivery may get the new MX at the price they lock in now.

Well until the updated mx version comes out. Buying a EX with ever so slightly softer flex frame could be a great option for vet mx racers. Take lights off add 19” rear wheel. Now you have a more compliant mx bike with newer wiring harness etc. so you can wash with hopefully no fear. When It comes to suspension, most mx guys have their bike revalved and sprung to their weight anyway, so no biggie.

 

[Johnny Depp]

Well until the updated mx version comes out. Buying a EX with ever so slightly softer flex frame could be a great option for vet mx racers. Take lights off add 19” rear wheel. Now you have a more compliant mx bike with newer wiring harness etc. so you can wash with hopefully no fear. When It comes to suspension, most mx guys have their bike revalved and sprung to their weight anyway, so no biggie.

The 18” rear is better for most people, more comfort. The downside is few scoop tires. 90% of riders couldn’t even tell the difference.

 

[Johnny Depp]

You are still confusing KW vs KWh.
That available power is NOT increased per hour, the number of hours is what is increased.
I hope you will try to understand this:

60HP car = 60/1.34= 44.76kw (edited to correct math)
The size of the gas tank is 6.5 gallons

If you increase the gas tank to 7.2 gallons, it does NOT increase the HP of the car, but it can go farther.

This is a simple way to understand the difference between KW and Kwh, they are different measurements.

The main difference between kWh and kW is in what they measure. To put it simply, a kilowatt is a measure of power and a kilowatt-hour is a measure of energy; power is the rate at which something uses energy, and energy is the capacity to do work.

I'm giving up after this...

Got it now. It does appear that the ability to use max power is increased so the effect be more power on tap longer, perfect for MX.
Key points about Molicel P45 and P50:

• Capacity:
  The P50 generally has a higher capacity than the P45, allowing for longer runtimes in applications requiring high power.
  
  
• Discharge Rate:
  Both batteries are designed for high discharge rates, but the P50 may have a slightly higher maximum discharge current.
  
  
• Thermal Management:
  The P50 often boasts better thermal management capabilities, meaning it can handle higher temperatures during heavy usage without significant performance degradation.
  
  
• Silicon Content:
  The P50 typically contains more silicon in its cathode, contributing to higher capacity but potentially leading to faster degradation if not managed properly.
  

Which one to choose:

• Choose P45:
  If you prioritize a reliable battery with good power delivery but need a lower cost option and are not concerned about maximizing runtime.
• Choose P50:
  If you require the highest possible power output and longer runtime, even if it means potentially sacrificing some cycle life due to higher silicon content.

 

[Beagle]

Got it now. It does appear that the ability to use max power is increased so the effect be more power on tap longer, perfect for MX.
Key points about Molicel P45 and P50:

• Capacity:
  The P50 generally has a higher capacity than the P45, allowing for longer runtimes in applications requiring high power.
  
  
• Discharge Rate:
  Both batteries are designed for high discharge rates, but the P50 may have a slightly higher maximum discharge current.
  
  
• Thermal Management:
  The P50 often boasts better thermal management capabilities, meaning it can handle higher temperatures during heavy usage without significant performance degradation.
  
  
• Silicon Content:
  The P50 typically contains more silicon in its cathode, contributing to higher capacity but potentially leading to faster degradation if not managed properly.

Which one to choose:

• Choose P45:
  If you prioritize a reliable battery with good power delivery but need a lower cost option and are not concerned about maximizing runtime.
• Choose P50:
  If you require the highest possible power output and longer runtime, even if it means potentially sacrificing some cycle life due to higher silicon content.

P50B does have higher cycle life than P45B, there is no downside to it, except probably cost

https://www.molicel.com/inr-21700-p50b

 

[Jasperfield]

Will the EX have as much instant torque as the MX has, or will it be softened-up? The Dirt Bike YouTube review speaks of how soft the roll-on is, and I've read the same elsewhere. Has anyone heard or read anything relative?

Stark Future's contact page is AGAIN not working so I can't ask them.

 

[UKLee]

Will the EX have as much instant torque as the MX has, or will it be softened-up? The Dirt Bike YouTube review speaks of how soft the roll-on is, and I've read the same elsewhere. Has anyone heard or read anything relative?

Stark Future's contact page is AGAIN not working so I can't ask them.

It is supposed to be adjustable but don't hold your breath we have been waiting 3 years for it and still not got it.

 

[markanddona]

Have my EX ordered, looking at 3/2 delivery. I don’t have a vin yet.

 

[Jasperfield]

I spoke with Stark today and they emailed the following:

Serial numbers will be provided when your particular bike has been assembled and is ready to ship.
Ownership will transfer from Stark to the purchaser via a vehicle Title.

Stark does not have any official images of the US auxiliary turn signals. The bike comes as seen online with the European style turn signals installed. The US indicators are shipped uninstalled just in case you need to install them.

 

[markanddona]

I spoke with Stark today and they emailed the following:

Serial numbers will be provided when your particular bike has been assembled and is ready to ship.
Ownership will transfer from Stark to the purchaser via a vehicle Title.

Stark does not have any official images of the US auxiliary turn signals. The bike comes as seen online with the European style turn signals installed. The US indicators are shipped uninstalled just in case you need to install them.

Fantastic, don’t need or want them in AZ.

 

[Chadx]

... The bike comes as seen online with the European style turn signals installed. The US indicators are shipped uninstalled just in case you need to install them.

Ideal!

 

[svtride]

Stark does not have any official images of the US auxiliary turn signals. The bike comes as seen online with the European style turn signals installed. The US indicators are shipped uninstalled just in case you need to install them.

Fantastic news. Thank you for posting.
Now curious as to what Stark will supply for mirrors. No pics I could find.
I did reach out to Stark, am awaiting reply..I plan to use a Double-Take mirror regardless.

 

[Chadx]

...I plan to use a Double-Take mirror regardless.

Have been using Ned's Double take mirrors, since he first released them around 2010, on everything from dirtbikes to ATVs to dual sports. Haven't tried his latest ball and arm design, since the earlier versions are still going strong and several pairs have moved across multiple machines. Might be time to try his new version...

 

[Jasperfield]

Fantastic news. Thank you for posting.
Now curious as to what Stark will supply for mirrors. No pics I could find.
I did reach out to Stark, am awaiting reply..I plan to use a Double-Take mirror regardless.

They don't have any photo's of those accessories, yet.

 

[EastFlorida]

Have been using Ned's Double take mirrors, since he first released them around 2010, on everything from dirtbikes to ATVs to dual sports. Haven't tried his latest ball and arm design, since the earlier versions are still going strong and several pairs have moved across multiple machines. Might be time to try his new version...

With respect to mirrors, here is my go-to for my Florida plated '24 KTM 300 XC-W... I've used this on a few bikes and once you get use to looking under your arm, they are good enough for me...

 

[Beagle]

VARG EX video just dropped, would be grateful if our German friends could sum up main points or news from this (can't seem to get translation work from my phone?)

Anyway, I don't understand a thing but still great to see a real bike at a dealer, lots of close ups, turn signals working (integrated in the rear light), not sure how that would be legal in France, that plus the steep angle for the licence plate, only way it's at the right angle is probably when you wheelie for the speed camera! No rear view mirrors but that won't be an issue to put them.

Edit: screen cap 25'47 showing what is probably the euro legal version

and the side stand appears to work

Super great news, Enforcer Enduro just dropped his 3rd interview video with Anton Wass, always interesting to hear what he has to say, should be very informative (haven't watched it yet)

 

[markanddona]

Fantastic, can’t wait.

 

[Jasperfield]

They are shipped with a clamp-on rearview mirror that you can install.

 

[mike61]

Cool interview!
Well prepared, very relaxed and a lot of information.
It is not very often that a CEO is talking with a customer for more than one hour.
They are both riders! They know what they're talking about.

 

[svtride]

Very good, informative interview. Filled in some questions that I have about the EX.
Refreshing that the CEO is so in-tune with his product and understands the wants of his customers…versus telling the customer what they need.

 

[Beagle]

Great interview, lots of info, good to hear directly from him.

I had noticed they were not running any Molicel sponsorship in the bikes anymore in Arenacross UK, well, they've changed suppliers, Anton does not want to give the name (I wonder why?) but they're probably not using the P50B that many of us had anticipated.

There will be an updated MX... at some point in the future so probably not too soon.

Updated parts include swingarm (better clearance, flex), motor (higher efficiency, change in torque at the rear wheel just comes from standard gearing difference), VCU. The 7.2 kWh battery won't fit in the MX (connectors). Almost all the rest is compatible with the MX.

They're working on something akin to onboard/travel charger, could be some kind of plug and play accessory?

Large speaker on the phone could be used as a horn and to play other sounds while riding, he mentions "future use" (likely safety, racing, sole kind of sound to warn others)

Adjustable powercurve is finally coming! It should be available from day 1 for Varg EX. TC is not ready yet.

Having GPS integrated in the bike looks awesome, map provider is mapbox.

They have been working on heat management because roads riding will get your bike hotter faster.

Supermoto and smaller bikes are in development, he didn't give any date, I would expect at least another model in 2025.