Stark mobile charger is out !

[OpaTsupa]

Damn i guess it means i really should get that EX. Just extended my warranty with 2 years today. But hey, can't be all that bad of a deal.

Seeing now how shiny the SM components are ..
Wouldn't the SM be a better buy for you and in general?
New Enduro wheels will cost less than the portable charger which I guess you'll want as well.

 

[rs911]

Seeing now how shiny the SM components are ..
Wouldn't the SM be a better buy for you and in general?
New Enduro wheels will cost less than the portable charger which I guess you'll want as well.

I think I agree with you even if you would have to change the left fork bottom because of the radial supermoto fork bottom on the SM.
The SM fork bottom and triple clamps are really nice parts.

 

[Julo EX]

So if we buy the portable charger now, we’ll probably receive it as soon as the first units start shipping.

 

[leadingedge]

I think I agree with you even if you would have to change the left fork bottom because of the radial supermoto fork bottom on the SM.
The SM fork bottom and triple clamps are really nice parts.

The front brakes and discs on the SM would not be ideal for off-road riding, it would be better to also replace those.

 

[rs911]

The front brakes and discs on the SM would not be ideal for off-road riding, it would be better to also replace those.

Yes, obviously, but it's something that can easily be swapped and it's not very expensive to buy an EX/MX brake caliper and disc.
The fork bottom it's more complicated or you would have to find a complete EX/MX left fork tube.
Enduro wheels are also much cheaper and easier to find in second-hand sales.

I have a complete brake setup to swap without bledding (master cylinder, caliper, aviation hose).
If I had the choice I'm not sure what I would do, only because of the triple clamps and radial fork bottom.

 

[Erwin P]

Yess and the SM probably has very different inner suspension setup.

I would still pick the EX. It looks like the clamp doens't have the damping of the EX/MX.

 

[rs911]

Yess and the SM probably has very different inner suspension setup.

I would still pick the EX. It looks like the clamp doens't have the damping of the EX/MX.

Yes the valving is obviously different but you need to find the compromise that suits you the best if you can't afford to have both bikes

 

[Erwin P]

True, that's why saying ''Wouldn't the SM be a better buy for you and in general?'' isn't really right i guess.

I have been thinking about getting the front KYB's of my Beta Into my Stark MX for Enduro situations. Sad thing the rear doesn't swap. On the other hand that rear of the Stark is so versitale it does manage enduro really well.

 

[Theo]

BTW, new video, can confirm that the SM does not come with the "stand/charger", only the portable wich makes sense

Well, aside for the fact that a portable charger is a wise idea for a street legal bike, the charger stand has been disliked by many and some people including me have noticed that it's pretty tall, so probably the SM has less ground clearance and therefore it's less suitable for that stand.

 

[szczur333]

Made me look.
It really is there.
It charged by 2% faster than it took to take a screenshot.

This on 230V / 50Hz / 16A shuko plug.

its software bug, It is not possisble with single socket/single charger
3,3kW on 230V - real current 14,3A from socket - I put once 20A on shucko for experiments - I use high quality audio plug and 4mm wires - it works but socket and terminals was VERY VERY HOT
I cant imagine to put 25-28A on regular outlet

 

[szczur333]

Do you have a method to monitor power output before the charger? Maybe even a one of those smart plugs for a few minutes? [they are risky for serious current]

before charger - best just power meter (plug and play)
after charger - DC clamp meter (cheapest good) will cost about 40-50euro
but it is game changer - then if you know battery voltage you can exactly know what W you are actually charging and calculate loses on charger

 

[Karinshi]

Yess and the SM probably has very different inner suspension setup.

I would still pick the EX. It looks like the clamp doens't have the damping of the EX/MX.

The EX with 2 wheels set up (enduro and SM) is not the cheapest but the better choice in my opinion if you like both worlds and you plan to do it both over the years

 

[Karinshi]

its software bug, It is not possisble with single socket/single charger
3,3kW on 230V - real current 14,3A from socket - I put once 20A on shucko for experiments - I use high quality audio plug and 4mm wires - it works but socket and terminals was VERY VERY HOT
I cant imagine to put 25-28A on regular outlet

there are people saying their bikes were charging much faster... something doesnt makes sense, im tempted to tell stark about this but their support is very busy right now i dont want to stress them more

 

[Erwin P]

there are people saying their bikes were charging much faster... something doesnt makes sense, im tempted to tell stark about this but their support is very busy right now i dont want to stress them more

Had the same thought. Rather have their resourses on people with issues or trying to buy bikes.

 

[leadingedge]

its software bug, It is not possisble with single socket/single charger

For now, it might be a software glitch but it's probably the first stage of Stark's preparation for direct DC charging at high input from EV roadside chargers.

 

[szczur333]

there are people saying their bikes were charging much faster... something doesnt makes sense, im tempted to tell stark about this but their support is very busy right now i dont want to stress them more

I think it can be depend of AC gird voltage

if you have for example 240V on AC then with 16A limit on AC side will give you 3,8kW from wall
battery voltage at 60% should be about 380V so with 10A dc current on charger - in theory you can charge a little faster

for example same with tesla3/y - onboard charger is 11kW and it charge on 0 and 90% with the same rate
however on 0% tesla has even below 300V< and near 90% about 400V
this means for 0% you will need almos 40A to get 11kW, and below 30A at 90%
if you dont have current 16A AC limit then 40A DC at 90% will give you 16kW - and probably its possible bcoz tesla onboard charger max voltage is about 270V
once I was able to put 253V on i got 12,1kW (if you somehow can put 270v on AC side you will get 13kW)

I hope someone can understand it

 

[Karinshi]

Had the same thought. Rather have their resourses on people with issues or trying to buy bikes.

what a beautiful and caring customers we are uh? hahaha