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[OpaTsupa]

Regarding traction control there was some interesting stuff on the Alestrem live transmission on Sunday. The finishing hill was rather tricky and most guys including Lettenbichler and Bolt didn't make it up in one go (only Roman and M.Brightmore had good runs). Toby Martin did like most others pushing the last meters, but then Karlsson came. He failed the first two attempts rather clear, even lost a position, and then went back down to do some adjustments on his Varg. Next try he flew up the hill like nobody else before with quite some speed to spare at the top. I'd be more than surprised if that wasn't some form of traction control involved. Thank very much Strak Future from a NON-Alpha owner

Michael

Another angle of this climb.

Karlson's two failed attempts:

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Rocketing after adjustments on the phone:

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Just change a little bit the settings and the Stark Varg flies up the Finisher Hill like a Rocket. Eddie Karlsson Racing Stark Future FIM-Hard Enduro World Championship Alès Trêm

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[drehwurm68]

I'd rather put my money towards new rear tires.

Sorry, but this has got nothing to do with new tires. Maintenance should never be an "either or" decision, but being a given. It's like saying I'd rather fix my linkage bearings than change my suspension settings ... or my favorite being Vargs with mangled up throttle grip ends that cause sticking or notchy throttle control - no amount of power settings or electronic aids will help there!

Michael

 

[drehwurm68]

Matt Green about Karlsson: I tell you, they have some funky business going on in those engines - his elbow (gas hand) was way down and he was just crawling past me on the most slippery bit ...

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Michael

 

[OpaTsupa]

I'm still confused how these reports are only coming out just now and Karlson has been racing at elite level and in all sorts of terrain for two years or more.
I just can't imagine a racer who isn't complaining about lack of grip or some aspect of the bike even at best of times.

 

[drehwurm68]

Karlson has been racing at elite level

Elite level is not top level obviously. Just like with the Silver class at Romaniacs - those guys are awesome riders, but going against the best of the world is still another level up and puts you and your bike in the spotlight ...

Michael

 

[Beagle]

Elite level is not top level obviously. Just like with the Silver class at Romaniacs - those guys are awesome riders, but going against the best of the world is still another level up and puts you and your bike in the spotlight ...

Michael

He's been racing FIM Superenduro for 2 years, that is elite. Granted it's a different sport than hard enduro (no long climbs, no mud...) but safe to say he hasn't needed a clutch to clear any obstacles.

 

[drehwurm68]

I think you misunderstood my post. This was not about the Varg or its riders competitiveness but specifically about the other riders comments about the Vargs performance. In contrary to many of the smaller hard enduro races Eddie did previously with mostly local riders, those Top 15 World Championship guys know each other pretty well, often ride and train together. They are also well aware of their own and their competitors abilities as they are professionals and depend on that. So if someone like that makes a comment it is IMO worth listening, even more so in the situation I'm at now. If Stark is testing something new it would be at such races as they want to prove themselves and can use any advantage they can get which will hopefully translate to some future updates for us Varg riders.

Michael

 

[Chaconne]

Sorry, but this has got nothing to do with new tires. Maintenance should never be an "either or" decision, but being a given. It's like saying I'd rather fix my linkage bearings than change my suspension settings ... or my favorite being Vargs with mangled up throttle grip ends that cause sticking or notchy throttle control - no amount of power settings or electronic aids will help there!

Michael

It is not the new tires as maintenance but different tires regarding traction. Much depends on use case and rider.

 

[Erwin P]

his elbow (gas hand) was way down and he was just crawling past me on the most slippery bit ...

Didn't watch it to be fair.

However that could also just be a low hp setting.

 

[OpaTsupa]

All the talk about clutch (not to mention sacrificing LHRB for it) would disappear if Stark would do what Michael says: pay attention and correct or improve the weak points.

What I don't understand is how almost no rider seems to notice or heed this limitation to fantastic bike when a bellow-average, try-hard rider like myself finds it so often.
Today I had miserable ride cut short mostly because rear tire is 1/2 worn and I was spinning everywhere. Going slow and nursing the throttle in otherwise perfect conditions on a (almost) perfect bike is not fun.
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Still annoyed by these modern ways of teasing your half-baked project and having to subscribe to everything so I'm quoting my-damn-self.

It was Varg's turn for a ride, but I took the Beta 300 instead.
Spent tire. Zero wheelspin. Lap record.


I went back through my logs and happiest and fastest rides on the Varg were with a brand new tire. Declining from there on.

 

[OpaTsupa]

Alpha is 1.300€ now.

 

[Captblues]

What was it before?

 

[Karinshi]

Alpha is 1.300€ now.
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It has always had that price

 

[Suva]

I could coulda sworn it used to be $1000.

 

[Anders]

I guess the $1000 is the difference if you buy a new bike. In Norway, the difference is 10000 NOK between the Alpha and the normal EX. If I was to upgrade my normal EX to Alpha now, it is 15000NOK

 

[Erwin P]

Alpha is 1.300€ now.
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The gap new is 1000. Later upgrade is 1300.
You see that often with all brands that upgrades from the factory are cheaper than later added.
Makes sense to trigger a "buy now" reflex at the first sale.

 

[TheJ0rma]

It used to be 1300€ for me too, but dropped to 1000€ at some point

 

[Erwin P]

I've made a map that could explain the above. It cuts power to 10hp after a certain speed, thus not having the rear wheel spinning away and keeping on the edge of traction.

 

[Karinshi]

I've made a map that could explain the above. It cuts power to 10hp after a certain speed, thus not having the rear wheel spinning away and keeping on the edge of traction.

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sorry my ignorance, in wich scenario this could be usefull?

 

[Erwin P]

At steep hillclimbs where ground speed does not exceed 50-60km/h.
At some point the rear wheel looses tracktion due to it slipping or jumping.
Then the wheel will spin up to too high speeds. At an ICE the rev limiter of that gear will keep it in check. On the Stark it will rev to the moon. That makes it very hard to get grip back. Especially when holding the throttle open because everything happens really fast at that point.
With my map it won't spin up that fast after 60 km/h wheelspeed and when it does it won't have much power when hitting the ground again. That way revs will come down to below 60 km/h to where it has power and continue to have tracktion uphill.

And it would have the same effect in slippery mud as well, so could explain what that other rider was seeing.